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Discussion in 'Information Technology' started by occulus5, Nov 1, 2005.

  1. occulus5

    occulus5
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    I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server. I am
    using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page works
    only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using the
    wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server. The data
    base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly. The page
    works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be accessed
    from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the .mdb file
    is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    properly? Something with the MDAC?
     
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  3. Sylvain Lafontaine

    Sylvain Lafontaine
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    Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.

    Long answer:
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp

    --
    Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF


    "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server. I
    >am
    > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page works
    > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using the
    > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server. The
    > data
    > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly. The
    > page
    > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be accessed
    > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the .mdb
    > file
    > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > properly? Something with the MDAC?
     
  4. occulus5

    occulus5
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    Guest

    So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database on the
    web in real time?

    "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:

    > Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    > security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    >
    > Long answer:
    > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    >
    > --
    > Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >
    >
    > "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    > >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server. I
    > >am
    > > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page works
    > > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using the
    > > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server. The
    > > data
    > > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly. The
    > > page
    > > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be accessed
    > > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the .mdb
    > > file
    > > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > > properly? Something with the MDAC?

    >
    >
    >
     
  5. Sylvain Lafontaine

    Sylvain Lafontaine
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    Guest

    With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their side.

    If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.

    --
    Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF


    "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database on
    > the
    > web in real time?
    >
    > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >
    >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    >>
    >> Long answer:
    >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    >>
    >> --
    >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >>
    >>
    >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server.
    >> >I
    >> >am
    >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    >> > works
    >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using
    >> > the
    >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    >> > The
    >> > data
    >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    >> > The
    >> > page
    >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    >> > accessed
    >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    >> > .mdb
    >> > file
    >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
  6. occulus5

    occulus5
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    Guest

    What about setting up RDS or MDAC? How would I go about doing that?

    "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:

    > With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    > even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their side.
    >
    > If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    > replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    >
    > --
    > Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >
    >
    > "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    > > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database on
    > > the
    > > web in real time?
    > >
    > > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    > >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    > >>
    > >> Long answer:
    > >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server.
    > >> >I
    > >> >am
    > >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    > >> > works
    > >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using
    > >> > the
    > >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    > >> > The
    > >> > data
    > >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    > >> > The
    > >> > page
    > >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    > >> > accessed
    > >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    > >> > .mdb
    > >> > file
    > >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  7. occulus5

    occulus5
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    Guest

    What about setting up RDS or MDAC? How would I go about doing that?

    "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:

    > With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    > even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their side.
    >
    > If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    > replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    >
    > --
    > Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >
    >
    > "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    > > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database on
    > > the
    > > web in real time?
    > >
    > > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    > >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    > >>
    > >> Long answer:
    > >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server.
    > >> >I
    > >> >am
    > >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    > >> > works
    > >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using
    > >> > the
    > >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    > >> > The
    > >> > data
    > >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    > >> > The
    > >> > page
    > >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    > >> > accessed
    > >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    > >> > .mdb
    > >> > file
    > >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  8. Sylvain Lafontaine

    Sylvain Lafontaine
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    Guest

    MDAC is not a technology: it's only a service pack for data libraries such
    as JET, ADO and OLEDB.

    For RDS, you can try it if you want to (it's free) but it has been
    deprecated by Microsoft many years ago for security concerns. If you take a
    look at the reference that I've given in my first answer, you will see that
    the date of publication is 1999; this simple fact should tell you all you
    want to know about RDS.

    --
    Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF


    "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:B06EC97A-1CAE-40AC-AB73-168C8056B5A2@microsoft.com...
    > What about setting up RDS or MDAC? How would I go about doing that?
    >
    > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >
    >> With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    >> even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their
    >> side.
    >>
    >> If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    >> replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >>
    >>
    >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    >> > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database
    >> > on
    >> > the
    >> > web in real time?
    >> >
    >> > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    >> >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    >> >>
    >> >> Long answer:
    >> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our
    >> >> >server.
    >> >> >I
    >> >> >am
    >> >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    >> >> > works
    >> >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page
    >> >> > using
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    >> >> > The
    >> >> > data
    >> >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    >> >> > The
    >> >> > page
    >> >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    >> >> > accessed
    >> >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    >> >> > .mdb
    >> >> > file
    >> >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    >> >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
  9. occulus5

    occulus5
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    Guest

    What is the simplest and quickest way to set up a webpage that users can
    login to and veiw information from our data base then? Ultimatly we want to
    be able to connect and view information from our server.

    "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:

    > MDAC is not a technology: it's only a service pack for data libraries such
    > as JET, ADO and OLEDB.
    >
    > For RDS, you can try it if you want to (it's free) but it has been
    > deprecated by Microsoft many years ago for security concerns. If you take a
    > look at the reference that I've given in my first answer, you will see that
    > the date of publication is 1999; this simple fact should tell you all you
    > want to know about RDS.
    >
    > --
    > Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >
    >
    > "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:B06EC97A-1CAE-40AC-AB73-168C8056B5A2@microsoft.com...
    > > What about setting up RDS or MDAC? How would I go about doing that?
    > >
    > > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    > >
    > >> With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    > >> even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their
    > >> side.
    > >>
    > >> If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    > >> replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    > >> > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database
    > >> > on
    > >> > the
    > >> > web in real time?
    > >> >
    > >> > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    > >> >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Long answer:
    > >> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > >> >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > >> >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our
    > >> >> >server.
    > >> >> >I
    > >> >> >am
    > >> >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    > >> >> > works
    > >> >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page
    > >> >> > using
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    > >> >> > The
    > >> >> > data
    > >> >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    > >> >> > The
    > >> >> > page
    > >> >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    > >> >> > accessed
    > >> >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    > >> >> > .mdb
    > >> >> > file
    > >> >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > >> >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  10. Sylvain Lafontaine

    Sylvain Lafontaine
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    Well, there are many possibilities but I not familiar with them. A
    possibility would be to use something like FrontPage to create an ASP page
    that will display the result but the users won't be able to make update to
    the database. Another possibility would be to create ASP.NET pages but it's
    a lot more complicated.

    You should start a new thread and post your question into others newsgroups
    such as m.p.access.internet and m.p.frontpage.programming.

    --
    Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF


    "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:68A5D6F3-CC5A-4CE3-B032-91A99A8F54A9@microsoft.com...
    > What is the simplest and quickest way to set up a webpage that users can
    > login to and veiw information from our data base then? Ultimatly we want
    > to
    > be able to connect and view information from our server.
    >
    > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >
    >> MDAC is not a technology: it's only a service pack for data libraries
    >> such
    >> as JET, ADO and OLEDB.
    >>
    >> For RDS, you can try it if you want to (it's free) but it has been
    >> deprecated by Microsoft many years ago for security concerns. If you
    >> take a
    >> look at the reference that I've given in my first answer, you will see
    >> that
    >> the date of publication is 1999; this simple fact should tell you all you
    >> want to know about RDS.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >>
    >>
    >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:B06EC97A-1CAE-40AC-AB73-168C8056B5A2@microsoft.com...
    >> > What about setting up RDS or MDAC? How would I go about doing that?
    >> >
    >> > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server
    >> >> and
    >> >> even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their
    >> >> side.
    >> >>
    >> >> If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is
    >> >> to
    >> >> replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our
    >> >> > database
    >> >> > on
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > web in real time?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Long answer:
    >> >> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    >> >> >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    >> >> >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our
    >> >> >> >server.
    >> >> >> >I
    >> >> >> >am
    >> >> >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access
    >> >> >> > page
    >> >> >> > works
    >> >> >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page
    >> >> >> > using
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the
    >> >> >> > server.
    >> >> >> > The
    >> >> >> > data
    >> >> >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated
    >> >> >> > regularly.
    >> >> >> > The
    >> >> >> > page
    >> >> >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    >> >> >> > accessed
    >> >> >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > .mdb
    >> >> >> > file
    >> >> >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page
    >> >> >> > works
    >> >> >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
  11. occulus5

    occulus5
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    "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:

    > With DAP? You can't; unless you replace the MDB file with SQL-Server and
    > even then, many of your users will be blocked by a firewall on their side.
    >
    > If you want to go with Internet, then your only practical solution is to
    > replace DAP with something else; such as ASP.NET.
    >
    > --
    > Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    >
    >
    > "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:D8A2831C-3952-47AD-B697-49491DB7572E@microsoft.com...
    > > So how else can i set it up so that user can see data in our database on
    > > the
    > > web in real time?
    > >
    > > "Sylvain Lafontaine" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Short answer: you cannot do this without using a VPN or installing the
    > >> security hole called RDS or replacing the mdb file with SQL-Server.
    > >>
    > >> Long answer:
    > >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/deploydap.asp
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
    > >> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
    > >> E-mail: http://cerbermail.com/?QugbLEWINF
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "occulus5" <occulus5@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:A164932E-DFEC-47C1-B8BE-A753CF4D01CC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >I am having some trouble setting up our data access page on our server.
    > >> >I
    > >> >am
    > >> > using Access 2003 and Server 2003 and right now our Data Access page
    > >> > works
    > >> > only if you VPN into our network. I created the Data Access page using
    > >> > the
    > >> > wizard in Access and i put it in the Inetpub\wwwRoot\ on the server.
    > >> > The
    > >> > data
    > >> > base is on another hard drive on the sever and is updated regularly.
    > >> > The
    > >> > page
    > >> > works fine, but i am not sure how to set it up so that it can be
    > >> > accessed
    > >> > from the internet outside of our network. Currently the path to the
    > >> > .mdb
    > >> > file
    > >> > is '\\server01\...' What do i need to change so that this page works
    > >> > properly? Something with the MDAC?
    > >>
    > >>
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