General Can A Person Of Any Race Or Skin Color Convert To Sikhism ?

[Ambarsaria]

Ambarsaria ji,
The criteria for being a Sikh is merely a faithful belief in these things. Hence, especially for v.) I think your numbers are way too low. Most non-Amritdhari Sikhs do believe in Amrit Sanchar even if they haven't actually partaken of it for whatever reason.

Inderjeet Kaur Bhain ji, now with that liberal definition (see underlined above from your post), my numbers of course make no sense. Unfortunately with my approach of inclusiveness, I should not dispute your liberal expansion. However I do!

Belief is not simply lip service, it is actions or deeds. Otherwise SRM will become just another note to self, believe all in SRM, do deeds or live as you like. I am in violation in actions/living and I know that I need to improve.

This thread indirectly defines Sikhism, a bunch of ever learning Sikhs. The thread starter claims to be a Christianity believer. Starts the thread and leaves and here we are learning about things three pages later. I like this part of Sikhism to be the most wonderful gift of our founders. Closed minds rot! I would love to hear your thoughts or clarification.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Ambarsaria]

It is nice to think that a bit of my Sikhiness rubs off on everybody I come in contact with. Sat sri akaal!

I think this is one beautiful part of life people fail to recognize. It is living re-incarnation, one being alive in parts in other and other in us. Not just of people but life and non-life like steps in sand too. The butterfly effect where philosophically or otherwise it is posed that a butterfly flutter may be the source of a Hurricane that shows up in America. Sounds much like one everywhere doesn't it!

ikonkaar

Sorry slightly off-topic.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

Inderjeet Kaur Bhain ji, now with that liberal definition (see underlined above from your post), my numbers of course make no sense. Unfortunately with my approach of inclusiveness, I should not dispute your liberal expansion. However I do!

Belief is not simply lip service, it is actions or deeds. Otherwise SRM will become just another note to self, believe all in SRM, do deeds or live as you like. I am in violation in actions/living and I know that I need to improve.

This thread indirectly defines Sikhism, a bunch of ever learning Sikhs. The thread starter claims to be a Christianity believer. Starts the thread and leaves and here we are learning about things three pages later. I like this part of Sikhism to be the most wonderful gift of our founders. Closed minds rot! I would love to hear your thoughts or clarification.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsaria ji,

First, The word "liberal" has never been paired with my name in Sikh matters before, to my knowledge. I am usually called things like fundamentalist and extremist. I am happy that you can see that my heart is not so narrowed-minded as some seem to believe.

Second, this is not my definition. It is a c/p from the SRM. I do not like this definition. I do not like much of the SRM. However, most mainstream Sikhs, myself included, accept it as the Law of the Land. There are other maryadas, notably among nihangs and I believe Damdami Takhsal follows the Gurmat Reht Maryada.

You say that belief encompasses action. That is one interpretation. There are others. For many, maybe most who call themselves Sikhs "SRM [is] just another note to self, believe all in SRM, do deeds or live as you like." This is one of the short-comings of the SRM. Still, as I said before, we are stuck with it for now.

I think there is a difference between a sikh (a learner) and a Sikh (an adherent of Sikhi). Of course a Sikh most always remain a sikh, otherwise what's the point. I thoroughly enjoy the freedom of thought that our GuruSahibans has given us.

I strongly believe we need to move away from Punjabi culture and become a worldwide religion. Our suffering planet needs what we have and we have no right to garb it in a culture unknown and often repugnant to non-Punjabis. In any case, the way we are killing our girls, if we don't have Sikhs who do not follow the Punjabi culture, we cannot last much longer.

 

[Ishna]

Inderjeet ji

You said

...and I believe Damdami Takhsal follows the Gurmat Reht Maryada

Are you saying the Damdami Rehat Maryada carries the title of 'Gurmat Rehat Maryada', or are you saying it is more 'Gurmat' than the 'Sikh Rehat Maryada'?

Apologies for my ignorance.

I've read the SRM many times and I've read sections of the Damdami RM (it's much longer than the SRM...), and my money is with the SRM, personally. If I wanted a mammoth rule book I'd become a Muslimah.

Gurfateh.

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

Inderjeet ji

You said


Are you saying the Damdami Rehat Maryada carries the title of 'Gurmat Rehat Maryada', or are you saying it is more 'Gurmat' than the 'Sikh Rehat Maryada'?

Apologies for my ignorance.

I've read the SRM many times and I've read sections of the Damdami RM (it's much longer than the SRM...), and my money is with the SRM, personally. If I wanted a mammoth rule book I'd become a Muslimah.

Gurfateh.

THEY call it Gurmat Rehat Maryada, not me. And I'm with you. I believe it violates the spirit of freedom that the Gurus Sahiban gave us and makes Sikhi a cumbersome burden instead a way of chard kala. Just my opinion.

If I wanted or needed all those rules, I'd become a Jew or a Muslim or a fundamentalist Christian. For all its faults, the SRM is easy to understand and brief and focuses more on the spirit of Sikhi instead of just the rules. I've always had this problem with authority, but even I recognize the necessity of having some rules.

 

[Ishna]

cheeringkudi That's what I thought you meant bheinji, just thought I'd check! peacesignkaur You and me on the same page.

 

[Joginder Singh Foley]

Can any become a Sikh


Six foot 350 pound white skined red bearded ex-alcoholic Irishman here and Sikh for 25 plus years and Ireland and the Irish not a race and country one thinks of for Sikhs but yes if your heart and commitment is in Sikhi then go for it, It's probably the best decision this Irishman made :happysingh:

 

[Joginder Singh Foley]

MikeJohnsonji,

It all depends on which Sikhism you are talking about, there is a pure strain of Sikhi which is open to anyone, of any colour, and as Ambarariaji stated above, applies fully,

However there is another Sikhi which is not so open, it is heavy in ritual, tradition, it follows the caste system, it is corrupt, sexist, and you may have to develop a taste for Bacardi or Scotch and learn how to dance like a drugged up bear, you may find yourself excluded from embracing this wonderful branch of Sikhi, with its required chanting of the holy word 'Izzat' (respect), and the constant repeating of the holy phrase 'log kya kehan ghai' (what will people say), as the entry requirements are quite limited. You may have to be content with just the rather boring pure strain........sorry.

This irish Sikh will stick with the rather boring {NOT}pure strain...the other type of so-called Sikhi is best left to it's so-called followers and hope that they remember that they are gonna face a reckoning for their deeds in this life

:happysingh:

 

[Harry Haller]

This irish Sikh will stick with the rather boring {NOT}pure strain...the other type of so-called Sikhi is best left to it's so-called followers and hope that they remember that they are gonna face a reckoning for their deeds in this life

:happysingh:

Joginderji,

Surely the only reckoning is the lack of connection