Sikhism Brahmanical Way Of Applying Gurbani

roopsidhu · Jun 2, 2010

SSA,
I am giving a webpage link ( which was sent to me by a gurmukh friend) of a news published in an internet paper. I request sikh scholers of this forum to read it and see what head priest is saying:-

Ambedkar Lehar

How Giyani ji could use gurbani in brahmanical way. This is not as per the teachings of gurbani.
I like all the true sikhs to read and comment.
Roopsidhu

bscheema · Jun 2, 2010

whr is it in the link ...

roopsidhu · Jun 2, 2010

SSA,
Just click on the given link, the above-said news will open directly. If not go tothat website page nimber 7 you will find it.
Roopsidhu

spnadmin · Jun 2, 2010

Balwinder ji

This is the link Ambedkar Lehar

bscheema · Jun 2, 2010

yeah about Gyani Jaswinder singh ne gupp marri ....wat else he can do ...:seriousmunda:

roopsidhu · Jun 3, 2010

SSA,
Quoted by BalwinderSingh cheema ji
yeah about Gyani Jaswinder singh ne gupp marri ....wat else he can do ...

Yes cheema ji, but concerned sikhs and sangat can, and must do something. These forums are the best means to let the people know that what is sikhism and what is not.
Roopsidhu

gur_meet · Jun 3, 2010

Here is the history of construction of Baoli Saheb :

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Source : http://www.gurmat.info/
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BUT to wrongly believe that reciting the entire Japji Sahib followed by a bath in the baoli on each of the 84 steps with a pure heart would lead to spiritual emancipation is to negate what our beloved Sri Guru Granth Saheb ji tells us. [/FONT]
It negates the role of Simran.[/FONT]
In the Japji Saheb itself the way is clear :[/FONT]
ਕਿਵ [/FONT]ਸਚਿਆਰਾ [/FONT]ਹੋਈਐ [/FONT]ਕਿਵ [/FONT]ਕੂੜੈ [/FONT]ਤੁਟੈ [/FONT]ਪਾਲਿ [/FONT]॥
kiv sachiaaraa hoeeai kiv koorrai thuttai paal ||
o how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?[/FONT]
ਹੁਕਮਿ [/FONT]ਰਜਾਈ [/FONT]ਚਲਣਾ [/FONT]ਨਾਨਕ [/FONT]ਲਿਖਿਆ [/FONT]ਨਾਲਿ [/FONT]॥੧॥
hukam rajaaee chalanaa naanak likhiaa naal ||1||
O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||[/FONT]

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The said wrong belief is a Brahmanical influence that subtly enters in such a manner. The Sikhs should remain true to the Guru and accept only what is as in SGGS ji .

Tejwant Singh · Jun 3, 2010

As doing Jap ji at every step and then taking a dip in the Baoli is anti Gurmat, then why doesn't the Akal Takhat come out with the Hukumnaama forbidding this rather than other meaningless ones which they have been issuing for quite sometimes?

I know lots of people getting sick, catching pneumonia performing this silly Hinduised ritual. In the Sikhi spirit of full disclosure, I must confess that my own sister also participated in this anti Gurmat ritual and we did have a long chat about it.

What can I say? It is sad to notice that we have become great parrots of Gurbani with one ugly plumage.

Tejwant Singh

gurpreet_luton · Jun 3, 2010

before saying anything we should think about news papers s nature they always put extra stuff to each speech ................ so don,t make any issue like that its not match with sikhi nature so please don,t make it any kind of issue......

roopsidhu · Jun 3, 2010

SSA,
Yes Tejwant ji, where is akaal takhat? where are jathedars? why no hukamnama for this Bhi sahib ji, Not only this on youtube there are many clips about the same person doing kurehats but it seems that Akal takhat jathedars are not willing to take any action.
Roopsidhu

dalbirk · Jun 4, 2010

As I mentioned somewhere else also that the construction of Baoli was for the purpose of breaking CASTE RELATED TABOOS amongst the general public of Goindwal Sahib because according to Hindu caste system the water is polluted by the bathing of a so called LOW CASTE , hence to remove this caste discrimination (IMHO ) Guruji openly declared that whosoever shall bathe in the Baoli shall be free from the death birth cycle of 8.4 million jonies . According to Gurmat caste based discrimination is the greatest roadblock in the spiritual emancipation of a human .

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