Sikh News Ban The Kirpan - Ravidass Protest London

[satnamr46]

Ban the Kirpan - Ravidass Protest London


A protest rally was held in Central London by the followers of the Dera Sach Khand on 14th June, This rally was organised in protest following the attacks and the subsequent death of one of the sect leaders in Vienna in May 2009.The rally attracted approx 2500 people from across the UK and possibly Europe. Photos of the late Rama nand were being carried by the procession.

A group of 8 young Singhs attended the rally to hand out leaflets of promote peace and harmony. This action was taken due to the amount of misreporting and it would seem misrepresentation of the facts by some anti Sikh elements. These Sikhs attempted to distribute leaflets to those in the procession to highlight that there is no need for violence or aggression as this will create further problems, a copy of the leaflets intended for distribution is attached to this email.

However it is very disheartening to report that these young singhs were met with aggression and hostility, despite an intimidating reception the Singhs continued in their efforts to hand out the leaflets.

As the rally reached the Haymarket area these Singhs were physically manhandled by the stewards and some members of the procession, following continuous compliants to the police by members of the procession the Police dragged the Singhs away and they were told to stop distributing leaflets.

There were leaflets being distributed by the rally organisers which were calling for " BAN ON THE KILLING WEAPONS ", this statement is obviously aimed at banning the Sri Sahib, the reverse side of the leaflet was in Panjabi and there was a description of the attack in Vienna. The exact words from the leaflets were " some of the members of the Sangat in Vienna saw 5-6 men with Distars and each wearing 2 Sri Sahibs... "There were also placards with colour photos of Sri Sahibs with slogans " Ban These Killing weapons "..

Within the rally there was a call for a "separate granth " , which seemed very inflammatory and an attempt to provoke the Singhs. The Singhs then stood on side of the road displaying handwritten signs " Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " and "Sikhism has no caste ". The protesters were extremely hostile and some were even swearing at the Singhs who were standing peacefully on the pavement. The crowd was shouting Jo Bole So nawae, Guru Ravidass ji ki Jai., the Singhs ended the day with Jo Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal !!

It is a shame that the followers of this sect choose to act in this way and continue with their efforts to provoke negative reaction from the Sikh community.

 

[Hardip Singh]

Not a new thing for Sikhs. Our leaders never visiulise the grand plans behind these all protests and negative reportings by media regrding Sikhs. These people never relise that it was Guru Arjun Sahib, who was the first to gave the due respect to Bhagat Ravidass by including his teachings in the SGGS. Till a few years back, we never heard of any of these sects in India. If some vested interest are bent upon to create the differences between the two communities, than GOD can only save us.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

The Fact that the KIRPAN and 5 kakaars are being given prominent approval by the western Govts is NOT going down well with those who hate Sikhism...How dare the .05% Amritdharees wearing 5 Kakars..be RECOGNISED as SIKHS..???? How DARE ?? WE keep on CLAIMING that..99.95% of sikhs are clean shaven/dont keep kakaars..BUT these Govts keep on RECOGNISING these as IMPORTANT to SIKH IDENTITY....recent Supreme Court Judgement in India recognising UNSHORN HAIR as vital ID of a SIKH also set alarm bells ringing...???? so what to do..Start such campaigns....( by the side also continue to HIGHLIGHT anti-Kirpan cases of alleged assault etc by a kirpan wearing youth....somehow..something..will work out ??? ) IT WONT. This is the KHALSA of WAHEGURU..and HE ALWAYS WINS.:idea::idea::idea::idea::idea::idea:

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Here is a picture that says a MILLION WORDS..
Its the malwa Mastuana saadh involved in Duplicate Harmandar shaib controversy..and the Saadh ramanand who died in Vienaa..BOTH pally Wally...

 

[Randip Singh]

Instead of whining should these fellows be thinking how they can become better Sikhs?

 

[dalbirk]

Not a new thing for Sikhs. Our leaders never visiulise the grand plans behind these all protests and negative reportings by media regrding Sikhs. These people never relise that it was Guru Arjun Sahib, who was the first to gave the due respect to Bhagat Ravidass by including his teachings in the SGGS. Till a few years back, we never heard of any of these sects in India. If some vested interest are bent upon to create the differences between the two communities, than GOD can only save us.

I quite agree with u Hardip Ji . Infact the Baani of Ravidass Ji if it had not been collected , preserved & included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji had been lost to mankind forever . All during Ravidass ji's life he had to face the wrath of high caste Brahmins who thought of him as untouchable being a Chamar ( Cobbler ) a so-called low caste according to Hindu Caste System . Immediately after his death , Brahmins destroyed & polluted all his writings , spread all sort of rumours about him , spreading stories to prove him an idol worshipper , Ganga worshipper , etc . Similarly the writings of all Bhagats like Kabir , Namdev , Dhanna & all others found outside Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji r not treated as authentic by scholars . No wonder in 3500 years of history of Hinduism , no reformer ever was able to make his mark on society except Vivekananda , Debendranath Tagore in 19th century ( under British influence ) because the all powerful Brahmins won't let anybody move an inch away from well established Varna System . The so-called Dalits were the most suppressed under this system treated even worse than animals . But it is a sad commentary on part of Sikhs & these so-called down trodden masses both that the religion which was formed to liberate these classes from the cluthes of cruel Brahmins r being used to destroy & attack that very religion by those very Brahminical forces . Why we all have come to this situation ? Anybody stopping to ponder over any of these causes ....

 

[spnadmin]

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And power is a very hard thing to give up or to give away.

 

[Hardip Singh]

I quite agree with u Hardip Ji . Infact the Baani of Ravidass Ji if it had not been collected , preserved & included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji had been lost to mankind forever . All during Ravidass ji's life he had to face the wrath of high caste Brahmins who thought of him as untouchable being a Chamar ( Cobbler ) a so-called low caste according to Hindu Caste System . Immediately after his death , Brahmins destroyed & polluted all his writings , spread all sort of rumours about him , spreading stories to prove him an idol worshipper , Ganga worshipper , etc . Similarly the writings of all Bhagats like Kabir , Namdev , Dhanna & all others found outside Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji r not treated as authentic by scholars . No wonder in 3500 years of history of Hinduism , no reformer ever was able to make his mark on society except Vivekananda , Debendranath Tagore in 19th century ( under British influence ) because the all powerful Brahmins won't let anybody move an inch away from well established Varna System . The so-called Dalits were the most suppressed under this system treated even worse than animals . But it is a sad commentary on part of Sikhs & these so-called down trodden masses both that the religion which was formed to liberate these classes from the cluthes of cruel Brahmins r being used to destroy & attack that very religion by those very Brahminical forces . Why we all have come to this situation ? Anybody stopping to ponder over any of these causes ....

The only reason is that all of our so called Panth Leaders are just sleeping on their votes. If it would not have been their votes in the recent Noormehal assembly byelection in Punjab, Badal and his team might have avoided visiting their Dera afetr the death of Ramanand. It is a hard fact that after seeing that Badal have turned a blind eye on what ever they (dera followers) are doing, their own Dalit party BSP withdrew their candidate from the byelection and put all their votes in Badal's kitty. All our efforts will remain to be fruitless till these vote hungery leaders are their.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

RAJ bina na DHARAM challeh hain..DHARAM Bina sabh Daley Maley hain...describes this situation perfectly.

Dharam....Raj......needs political power..soverignity...to flourish....Buddhism and Ashoka...Islam..mughals..Christianity..British empire...Sikhism..Ranjit Singh...

BUT RAAJ..political Powerr SANS..DHARAM..is all a BIG MESS. IF the political masters lose all DHARAM....then all is LOST...
Badal Govt has no DHARAM FACTOR..they are totally IRRELIGIOUS...so its all one huge MESS...dalley malley..

 

[panjabi25]

Response to (satnamr46) : What you have stated happened that day is totally wrong, its people like you that cause friction between communities. I have all the leaflets that were distributed that day, ill have you know there are a few against the Akal takth also which were written and handed out personally by singhs but lets not go into that. What happened in Vienna was wrong no man kind has the right to commit such a sin, and then call themselves a sikh. Sikhism does not permit such acts and does not belong to no one, highcastes or low caste, as every one seems to bring caste into it, its saanji baani of all guru's.

However the Ravidassiya community have reacted as there community has been attacked, in regards to the sri sahib (kirpan) they have every right to protest against it. Lets face it they wasnt made for committing such sins im sure Guru Gobind Singh ji didnt teach his sikhs to go out and kill? If you dont know there true purpose then you shouldnt wear one. funny how no one thinks about the sins them men committed and are quick to jump the gun and stir up hatred between communities.

People like that have made the Sikh comm badnaam.

 

[satnamr46]

Dear Panjabi25,The articleBan the Kirpan - Ravidass Protest London appeared in the Sikh Times,a newspaper in Britain. I have merely reported it.I apologise for any misunderstanding. i agree with you when you say:"Sikhism does not permit such acts and does not belong to no one, highcastes or low caste, as every one seems to bring caste into it, its saanji baani of all guru's. " As you very well know Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is meant for the welfare of all mankind and there is a maryada for according respect to it.Just as you point out the sins of the misuse of Sri Sahib, you must also realise the sins that are committed when in the presence of the Shabad Guru,people deliberatly and mischievously tend to supercede its authority.
Now as regads the protests by the followers of Dera Sach Khand---nobody questions their right to protest .However their resort to violence in beating up a few unarmed ,peaceful Sri Sahib protagonists is in no way justifiable. Most of the sikhs have condemned the tragic events that happened in Vienna quite forcefully and unequivocally.However ,the violence in
Panjab and all these protests point out that there are other forces at work.

Must I point out that this Sri Sahib ia a gift from Dhan Guru Gobind Singh who gave his all to uplift the downtrodden.Kirpan in Sikh history has always been used for the protection of the weak and the oppressed.Just because a few people have used it inappropriatly..(.we still do not know who they were and what were their motives)
----to ask for a ban of this symbol does not serve the purpose of keeping the followers of Bhagat Ravidas ,who are not only the so called lower castes but all SIKHS together. The gurus and the bhagats have roundly condemned caste divisions,but rather then understand their message and promote it,we are busy feeding our egos.The gurus and the bhagats taught us to fight evil within and without ,but we are doing neither .In our ignorance we rush to do away with the symbols they gave us. How unbecoming of us. Shame.
Humbly
Satnam Singh Randhawa

 

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satnam ji