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Awake at Amrit Vela...

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by gurbanivichar, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. gurbanivichar

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    This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Jap on Pannaa 2

    True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite love.
    People beg and pray, ""Give to us, give to us"", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts.
    So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court?
    What words can we speak to evoke His Love?
    In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.
    By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.
    O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||
     
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    Dear Khalsa Jee,

    It is important for us to know what we sikhs are to understand from the term 'Amrit Vela' and why it is considered the proper time for paying our reverence to Almighty.

    I have some preliminary views on it, but I want others to express their's, may be I will learn something from it. The way we define 'Amrit Vela' should stand the questioning.

    Let us discuss and learn together.

    With love and respect for all

    Amarpal
     
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    Amrit Vela

    Dear Cyber Sadh Sangat,

    Before we discuss this wonderful concept of Amrit Vela, we should make ourselves aware of the accountability of our actions. In Sikhi, is accountability after death ( as in other major religions) or is it with every breath we take?

    If we fail to understand the concept of Accounatbility in Sikhi, then the concept of AmritVela becomes mute.


    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Dear VaheguruSeekr Ji,

    This is an important topic, please put some more light on your observations...
     
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    Dear Khalsa Jee (VaheguruSeekr)

    The question you have posed must have come to the minds of many; I am one of them.
    I have deliberated on this issue and have found that I cannot arrive at any firm conclusion about it. I have no way to rationally arrive at what will happen to me after death. My cognitive abilities do not take me far on this path. I can only create hypothesises, but have no way to test and conclude on them as to which is true. As a human I am handicapped.

    A saying came to my rescue: ‘If you take care of seconds and minutes, the hours and days will take care of themselves’; from this I have created the basis for my life.

    I have decided that I will hold myself accountable for all my thoughts, utterances and actions during my lifetime. I will only plant good roots all my life. What happens to me after this life it is for ‘The Almighty’ to decide; I do not think about it. Using the words you have used in your posting, I hold myself accountable in every breath that I take.

    Guru Sahibs have made our Sikh Religion very simple so that a common human can follow. It provides for spiritual elevation of the individual living the life of a householder. The scripture that Guru Sahib gave us i.e. ‘Sri Guru Granth Sahib’ does not indulge in hair-splitting arguments. Our Gurus knew that it is counter productive. Today, enough scientific evidence exist to prove that too much thinking paralyses our faculties to act. In our village too I was told by our elder ‘Too much thinking weakens our resolve’ and the natural result is that we do not act; I hold that there is lots of truth in this advice.

    What is beyond my life, and me, I do not think much about it. This live is what I want to use to become a real Gurmukh.

    I hold myself accountable at the level of every breath, which is the wording taken from your posting.

    About ‘Amrit Vela’ I will talk some time later.

    With Love and Respect for all

    Amarpal
     
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    Learned members,

    Please enlighten me with 'Amrit Vela'. Is this related with timings. Recently, It came to my ears that

    12 midnight - 3 am: Saints, Mahapurush do Nitnem
    3 am - 6 am: Grahsthi jeev do Nitnem

    Even there was some talk about having multiple times benefit of doing Nitnem at these times compared to other times upto 12 noon.

    Thanks.
     
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    Amarpal ji,

    Please talk about 'Amrit Vela' soon. Or else give me pointer, if this is already talked here.

    Best Regards.
     
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    Amrit Vela

    I am so sorry. I forgot about this post all together. May be the old age is catching up on me.

    As I mentioned in my first post:-

    Most of the religions believe that accountability is only after death, which makes one wonder that as we can take nothing with us when we die, how can we carry all the ledgers of our lives there?

    This concept was created by a few, sitting crosslegged on their high chairs using fear tactics so that all the ones needing brokers to seek ONE GOD would fall under their spell, which even happens now a days.

    Farida, char gavaieah hund kei, char gavaieah sun,
    Lekha rub mangesiah, tun kerei aahoh kum?

    Hey man, you wasted 12 hours wandering around and the other 12 by sleeping,

    When your time for accountability comes, how would you explain what you have been upto?

    Here Farid ji is talking about 8 paher meaning 24 hours.

    A Sikh has a 'Day book' which he/she opens when they get up. The book is closed shut when we recite Soheila at night:-

    Deu sajan assissirian, jei hovei sahib seu meil.

    Oh Vaheguru, give me the blessing when I meet you, in other words when my last breath is gone.

    So a Sikh is born ( conciously aware) when he wakes up and ready to die when he goes to bed.

    In Sikh life accountability is must and it should happen with every breath we take, the same way a bookkeeper keeps track of every transaction in his day book.

    Amrit Vela is the first transaction in our 'Day book'. Now the question arises what is Amrit Vela?

    In the old days, everyone used to work from dawn to dusk. So Amrit Vela became the early hours of the morning. But now we all live in different time zones. All of us have different Amrit Velas depending on where we live.

    Secondly, now we live in a 24 hour world where people get up at different times to do their Kirat. In Las Vegas where I live, everyone has a different Amrit Vela.

    In other words, Amrit Vela is when you are ready to start your day book, not any particular time of the day.

    I know lots of Sikhs get up at 2AM, take shower, do Nitnem and go off to sleep. Would we call this Amrit Vela?

    My 2 cent worth

    Peace & Love

    Tejwant
     
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    I see the point Tejwant ji. As you said - Amrit Vela is when you are ready to start your day book, not any particular time of the day.

    Not that I am doubting your knowledge, but somehow neither I am convinced about this very much, nor there is anything to offer from my side. So I guess, the quest carries on :)

    My madness took me to extent where I started doing calculations. This might be weird or total stupidity on my part, that I tried to do calculations that how many times Waheguru needs to be chanted by me, so that that makes up for all those years of mine, when I never devoted 10% of my daily swaas to Naam-Simran!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I appreciate your prompt response very much. About accountability, I am of the view that my each action, deed, saying - I mean everything emanated/done by my mind/body - I am the only person accountable for all those. But then this conflicts with general thought of Karta Purukh who gets the things done from all of us!

    Crazy thought eh! :)
     
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    ThinkingOne ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    First of all, I am not here to convince anyone about anything. As mentioned before I have been blessed to think aloud with the SADH SANGAT. The journey belongs to each individual.

    IK ONG KAAR is the ultimate accountant/auditor of our accounts.

    Our duty is to keep our Day Book updated.:)

    Peace & Love
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    Got your point.

    Present day book can be taken care of. Please think aloud, if there is any way to update old day-books. I think, back-dating is not allowed, but may be extra effort now onwards in present day-books can do something for the past ones too!
     
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    Dear Member,

    Amrit Vela for me is the small time span that is between my waking up after a sleep and when my mind starts getting engaged in worldly matters. This small span of time is 'Amrit Vela' for me. Here my mind is pure. I have trained myself to get up from my sleep with the word 'Vaheguru' on my toungue and 'Nirakaar Karta Purakh' in my mind. It doesnot matter to me which time of the day or night it is. The purity of mind is essential. It ie my considered opinion that it is the purity of mind which makes any Vela, Amrit.

    With Love and Respect for all.

    Amarpal
     
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    Extending it further: And if mind is always in the state of purity instead of just some small span of time, then one is always experiencing Amrit Vela!
     
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    ThinkingONE ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Exactly..!!!

    Vela means it is the time to do.....something. It does not mean any particular time of the day. I have no idea why and how our sikh scholars narrowed down AMRIT VELA to the early morning making GURMAT very restricted which contradicts with the freedom it allows us.

    And as you very well said...it is anytime for AMRIT VELA.

    Peace & Love

    Tejwant
     
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    Amrit Vela Sach Nao Vadyayee Vichar...

    Probably the problem came while interpreting it as: Get up during Amrit Vela (some specific time), and Do praise the Ik Ong Kaar.

    Whereas, looks like, it should be: The time when praising of Ik Ong Kaar is going on, is ALL Amrit Vela

    Thanks much for the meanings Amarpal ji and Tejwant ji.

    With much appreciation and Best Regards.
     
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    I feel badly hungry at Amrit Vela :8-:) I tired getting up and doing some meditation but it struck me that the nearest restaurant which goes all night will close down at 5 am so i went there and gorged some sabzi roti !:eek:
     
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    at that time..we are supposed to be Hungry for Naam..he he he.For some purists who are so stuck in their time warp (Amrti Vela is ONLY (Emphasis ONLY..) 2 hours to 4 hours BEFORE DAWN..and not any other time..your BODY HUNGER at this "holy time" would be sacriliege of te highest order !! But it happens to me all the time...especially when I have urgent last minute "Thesis" to write (one of my part time jobs is write Thesis/Assignments for University students and as is ususal with me..i get my brightest sparks doing work at the very last minute !!!)....then i will be getting hungry at odd hours.. 1 am..3 am..6 am..so on..
    Seriously though, the Hunger of the Mann is NEGLECTED by most of us...the BODY has its own way to make us aware..HEY FEED ME..or i die...BUT the Mann's way is gentler..non-violent !! If we keep it continoulsy starving..it becomes weaker and weaker and eventually Hunger for Naam stops...so dont let the Mann get to that weak stage...make it strong by giving it spiritual food regularly...and DAWN is the best period for feeding the Mann.:happy::happy:
     
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    gyani ji i wish aap ji was staying nearer to me. I would have of course taken your help, the irony is at that time there is no one to stop me. all i end up is ' bas ajj ta last day, kal to bas strictly follow karange' Mann jeda haiga oh haiga langur varga.
     
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    faujasingh ji

    You may be the first person I ever met who admitted to being hungry in the wee morning hours. But not the first person who ever was hungry at that time. When the world is asleep hunger is out of consciousness with everything else. Wake up -- and there it is right inside you. I do think Gyani ji gave very thoughtful advice. Don't starve your spiritual self, and find a way that makes your sadhana more effective in the patterns of your own life.
     

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