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Asaitic journal of 1828 Baptism of Sikh women refrence

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  1. kds1980

    kds1980 India
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    Apr 4, 2005
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    Many accouts of guru ji's era detail that women were baptised on vaisakhi day of 1699 and afterwards also.Below is a reference from Asiatic Journal of 1828 that also says that among sikhs baptism ceremony for women was in practice and carried out in the same way as men.

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    When a person wishes to become а
    sikh, he makes known his intention to
    some grant'hi,* or to any person learned
    in their sastras ; and if he wish to become «
    klmlsn.f he permits his hair to grow.
    When his hair has grown a month or two,
    lie goes again to the grant'hi, who prepares
    the nectar by stirring a knife iu a
    bowl of water, repeating incantations : a
    person present joins the bands of the new
    disciple, into which the grant'hi pours
    some of this water of life, of which he drinke five times, and afterwards
    rubs a little on his eyes. While he receives this water, he repeats five
    tiroes : " wah ! guru jida klialsa/ wah! guru jida ¡ihateh/"* The grant'hi
    next demands bis name, which, if insignificant in sound or meaning, is
    changed for another, and the word sinyha^- added. After this, a meat
    offering is prepared, called hará prosada, composed of clarified butter,
    flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire.
    The grant'hi now worships the book (the adi-grant'ha, or " chief book," the
    depository of the sikh creed and law), and presents to it some of the meat
    offering; the rest of which is offered to Akala Purusha (a name of Narayana,
    the supreme spirit), in the name of Nanak.f accompanied by a prayer to
    Govinda Singha, that his blessing may rest upon the person now becoming a
    sikh. At the close of these ceremonies, the food is distributed amongst the
    spectators of every caste ; and the grant'hi addresses a short discourse to
    the disciple respecting the religion of the sikhs, and teaches him an
    incantation, by repeating it in his presence till it be learnt, or else he
    gives it him in writing. The sikhs pay great reverence to the initiatory
    incantation, but less to their spiritual guides than the Hindus. Women are
    made eikhs in the same manner as men, the only difference in the form is
    that when the nectar is prepared for women, it is stirred with the back
    instead of the edge of the knife. When a Musulman becomes a sikh, he is
    forbidden, in the strongest manner, to eat beef.—

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  3. kds1980

    kds1980 India
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    Apr 4, 2005
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    I think 3 points of this journal should be noted
    1)some people started saying that there was no baptism for women in sikhism until 1860 or 70
    it prooves that baptism was there for women in 1828
    2)meat was never forbidden
    in sikhism
    3)Guru granth sahib was always the guru as some namdhari's say that under the influnce of britishers singh
    sabhai made guru granth sahib as guru

    Please comment

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