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Are Sikhs able to avoid Narak?

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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all!

    Gurdev is singing Truth also in this wonderful Vaak.
    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
    नाराइण कहते नरकि न जाहि ॥
    Naaraa-in kahate naraki na jaahi. SGGS Ang 868-1
    Chanting Naaraa-in, one does not go into hell.

    May I ask if someone has found a true Sikh singing Naaraa-in? Please mention him or her and oblige.


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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all!

    The reverend Gurus sing often Naaraa-in and the praise of Naaraa-in.

    Strange, most of your Baabaas and preachers have turned away their face from the true Guru and are not singing Naaraa-in.
    Some may want to hear, what they are singing?


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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all and Namjap Jee!

    Thanks for the links.

    In the referred Hymn Gurdev is singing further. Please listen.
    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ ॥
    नाराइण साधसंगि नराइण ॥
    Naaraa-in saadhsangi naraa-in.
    Naaraa-in is in the company of the Saadh Naraa-in.

    ਬਾਰੰ ਬਾਰ ਨਰਾਇਣ ਗਾਇਣ ॥
    बारं बार नराइण गाइण ॥
    Baarambaar naraa-in gaa-in.
    Repeatedly sing Naraa-in.

    Actually I wanted to know if someone has found a true Sikh singing Baarambaar (repeatedly) Naaraa-in.


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    what is Naraa-in?
     
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    Apologies.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
    naaraaein kehathae narak n jaahi ||
    Chanting the Lord's Name, one does not fall into hell.

    Naturally the confusion mounts on the thread when searching for a translation that is more plausibly linked to the shabad and transliterations confuse us. At some point Veer Ekmusafir will add his expertise to this discussion. Until then ... the translation given for "chanting naaraa-in (alternate transliteration narayan) one does not go to hell" is off base. "

    Naaraaein not naaraa - in
     
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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all and Amarsanghera Jee!

    Quote "what is Naraa-in?"

    Guru Arjan Dev Jee is clearing it singing. Please ponder.
    ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਨੀਰਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ ॥
    नामु निरंजनु नीरि नराइण ॥
    Naamu Niranjanu neeri naraa-iRn.

    ਰਸਨਾ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਪਾਪ ਬਿਲਾਇਣ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    रसना सिमरत पाप बिलाइण ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Rasnaa simrat paap bilaa-iRn. ||1|| rahā*o. SGGS Ang 867


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    Depending on context, naraaein means of The Lord, of The Lord's Name, of The Infinite Lord.

    example: charan kamal saranaae naraaein || I seek the Sanctuary of the Lotus Feet of the Lord.
    exampe:
    maerae man har bhaj naam naraaein || O my mind, vibrate and meditate on the Lord and the Name of the Lord.

    (Sahib Singh Sant Singh, MD translations)
    There is no Naraa-in -- it is not. The root 'nar" is from the Sanskrit "the Omnipotent One." Nara, that which animates every thing, the spirit of God. (Wilson's Sanskrit Dictionary) The word "nar" also is found in Persian of the Gurus' time having the same meaning.
     
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    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
    नाराइण कहते नरकि न जाहि ॥
    Naaraa-in kahate naraki na jaahi. SGGS Ang 868-1

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ = One that dwells in all beings (Parmatma, God, Waheguru)

    Reciting the one that dwells in all beings( Waheguru, Ram etc), one does not enter into hell / fall into hell.

    ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਨੀਰਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ ॥
    नामु निरंजनु नीरि नराइण ॥
    Naamu Niranjanu neeri naraa-iRn.

    ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ = to keep away from the effects of Maya , to dispell the effects of Maya

    ਨੀਰਿ = water but here it used for and activity, means to irrigate, to immerse, to be totally absorbed , to be imbued. Like water in the field gets imbued/saturated into the ground

    Naam is such that it dispells the effects of Maya when it is recited fully imbued.

    ਰਸਨਾ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਪਾਪ ਬਿਲਾਇਣ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    रसना सिमरत पाप बिलाइण ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Rasnaa simrat paap bilaa-iRn. ||1|| rahā*o. SGGS Ang 867

    ਰਸਨਾ = wth the tounge, vocally
    ਸਿਮਰਤ = to recite

    ਪਾਪ = evil deeds
    ਬਿਲਾਇਣ = gets washed away

    By reciting it with your tongue, it washes away all your evil deeds.
     
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    Ekmusafir ji

    Thank you.
     
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    what is Rasna?
     
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    English Katha and Kirtan
    Devinder and Mohinder Partap Singh - Naam Niranjan



    ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ
    गोंड महला ५ ॥
    gond mehlaa 5.
    Gond, Fifth Mehl:

    ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਨੀਰਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ
    नामु निरंजनु नीरि नराइण ॥
    naam niranjan neer naraa-in.
    The Name of the Immaculate Lord is the Ambrosial Water.

    ਰਸਨਾ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਪਾਪ ਬਿਲਾਇਣ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ
    रसना सिमरत पाप बिलाइण ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    rasnaa simrat paap bilaa-in. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    Chanting it with the tongue, sins are washed away. ||1||Pause||

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸਭ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਸ
    नाराइण सभ माहि निवास ॥
    naaraa-in sabh maahi nivaas.
    The Lord abides in everyone.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਪਰਗਾਸ
    नाराइण घटि घटि परगास ॥
    naaraa-in ghat ghat pargaas.
    The Lord illumines each and every heart.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਹਿ
    नाराइण कहते नरकि न जाहि ॥
    naaraa-in kahtay narak na jaahi.
    Chanting the Lord's Name, one does not fall into hell.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸੇਵਿ ਸਗਲ ਫਲ ਪਾਹਿ ॥੧॥
    नाराइण सेवि सगल फल पाहि ॥१॥
    naaraa-in sayv sagal fal paahi. ||1||
    Serving the Lord, all fruitful rewards are obtained. ||1||

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਅਧਾਰ
    नाराइण मन माहि अधार ॥
    naaraa-in man maahi aDhaar.
    Within my mind is the Support of the Lord.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਬੋਹਿਥ ਸੰਸਾਰ
    नाराइण बोहिथ संसार ॥
    naaraa-in bohith sansaar.
    The Lord is the boat to cross over the world-ocean.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤ ਜਮੁ ਭਾਗਿ ਪਲਾਇਣ
    नाराइण कहत जमु भागि पलाइण ॥
    naaraa-in kahat jam bhaag palaa-in.
    Chant the Lord's Name, and the Messenger of Death will run away.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਦੰਤ ਭਾਨੇ ਡਾਇਣ ॥੨॥
    नाराइण दंत भाने डाइण ॥२॥
    naaraa-in dant bhaanay daa-in. ||2||
    The Lord breaks the teeth of Maya, the witch. ||2||

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸਦ ਸਦ ਬਖਸਿੰਦ
    नाराइण सद सद बखसिंद ॥
    naaraa-in sad sad bakhsind.
    The Lord is forever and ever the Forgiver.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕੀਨੇ ਸੂਖ ਅਨੰਦ
    नाराइण कीने सूख अनंद ॥
    naaraa-in keenay sookh anand.
    The Lord blesses us with peace and bliss.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕੀਨੋ ਪਰਤਾਪ
    नाराइण प्रगट कीनो परताप ॥
    naaraa-in pargat keeno partaap.
    The Lord has revealed His glory.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸੰਤ ਕੋ ਮਾਈ ਬਾਪ ॥੩॥
    नाराइण संत को माई बाप ॥३॥
    naaraa-in sant ko maa-ee baap. ||3||
    The Lord is the mother and father of His Saint. ||3||

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ
    नाराइण साधसंगि नराइण ॥
    naaraa-in saaDhsang naraa-in.
    The Lord, the Lord, is in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.

    ਬਾਰੰ ਬਾਰ ਨਰਾਇਣ ਗਾਇਣ
    बारं बार नराइण गाइण ॥
    baaraN baar naraa-in gaa-in.
    Time and time again, I sing the Lord's Praises.

    ਬਸਤੁ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਲਹੀ
    बसतु अगोचर गुर मिलि लही ॥
    basat agochar gur mil lahee.
    Meeting with the Guru, I have attained the incomprehensible object.

    ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਗਹੀ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੧੯॥
    नाराइण ओट नानक दास गही ॥४॥१७॥१९॥
    naaraa-in ot naanak daas gahee. ||4||17||19||
    Slave Nanak has grasped the Support of the Lord. ||4||17||19||
     
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    What is this concept of "hell"?

    What has "hell" got to do with Sikhism?

    Is "hell" a physical place?

    Lets start with these questions and ask some more later.
     
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    what are witches?
     
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    Rasna is another unique transliteration phenomenon.;)
     
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    amarsanghera ji

    Rasna stands for tongue in the Shabad Namjap ji quoted, it takes this name because through it different kinds of tastes are fulfilled
     
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    pk70 ji,

    amarsanghera probably did not recognize rasna because the more common translit is rasanaa

    Cheers Happy to you by all measure. Dying to use that smiley.
     
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    pk70 ji

    i have another niggling question

    What recognizes the "taste"?

    rasanaa ?

    or is it the "medium" ?


    Rasanaa tu anras raach rahi......

    there is a shabd

    So rasanaa can "create" bitter/unsavoury things ?

    Can Tongue "Create"
     
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    Amarsanhgera ji,
    I am trying to answer your good questions as per my limited ability.
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    i have another niggling question

    What recognizes the "taste"?

    rasanaa ?

    or is it the "medium" ?”

    Every organ of the body is medium loaded with components that work for orders of brains. When those components are damaged, out put of the organs goes cripple. Same thing happens to tongue, if its burnt, taste is lost.


    Quote “Rasanaa tu anras raach rahi......

    there is a shabd

    So rasanaa can "create" bitter/unsavoury things ?
    Can Tongue "Create"”

    “RACH RAHI” does not mean it is creating, it means” it is busy in tasting” In Punjabi, in some contexts, “rach jana” means “involve in” or “ ghul mil jana”as in a Punjabi sentence “ oh da dil paise vich hee rachyaa hoyeea hai”
    Tongue doesn’t create taste, it develops tastes, you can also use another word for it, tongue acclimatizes as per need.
    I hope I have answered your question, if not, let me know please.

     

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