Anti-Sikh Websites

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  1. aim hundal

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    aim hundal ji

    I checked and received a Forbidden. You don't have access to this server on both links. What did you post as the http://address?

    Seems odd because I have visited both sites in the past.

    Hmm.
     
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    This is actually weird and wild. I just Googled True Sikhism, which btw has the address of http://www.granthsahib.org/ and --- even from the Google site received this message

    Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access / on this server.
    Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


    I think there is something wrong on their end with their server platform.
     
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    Yesterday night I have accessed both sites. They were showing Nand lal, Murari superior to sikh Gurus.There was also one such group on facebook truesikhism.com.You can also see appeal about these sites on wahegurusimran.org.I am surprised bqz i cant access these today even facebook group is not accessible.
     
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    I also got them earlier today and now I also get that screen. Maybe they are getting the message. Or sending one. :confusedkudi:
     
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    I too drew a 'forbidden' response on both counts, but there is an accessible site called Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
     
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    aim hundal ji

    Thanks for your reply...I know...these sites have been accessible in the past. The "Forbidden" message is odd to say the least. I don't want to speculate about the why of this. It is very peculiar and I share your concerns about their content.

    :happykaur:
     
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    arshi ji

    Thanks for investigating. The site you linked to is a different org -- and not controversial like the TRUE SIKHISM site. Sri Guru Granth Sahib JI has a .com domain and not a .org domain like the site that is returning a "Forbidden" message.

    The "Forbidden" page means that the web master has closed the site off from anyone who does not have permission to access. That is what I find very strange. As Mai ji said, they may be getting some feedback in buik, as protest to their content. This is not going to be the end of the story.

    More and more "Sikh" sites are adopting a vedantic posture toward Sri Guru Granth Sahib, such as TRUE SIKHISM. And when they do that antagonist elements are unleashed -- some protests expressed in responsible ways, and others not so responsible.
     
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    Narayanjot Kaur ji

    Gurfateh

    Many thanks for the clarification – it is very useful. Although I operate my own little site, dedicated entirely to Gurbani, I am not familiar with the technicalities. When I talked about starting my own site with some dedicated Sikh friends the response was “Have you seen how many sites there already are? What difference would one more make?" I can, now, see what they meant.

    There are far too many, many with their own agenda and ‘axe to grind’, and it is quite important that we are able to distinguish the genuine ones from the rest. However, even on the most dedicated sites, it is inevitable to have differences of opinion, as sometimes we have on SPN, but that is part and parcel of healthy debate and exchange of ideas. Such debate/discussion must be based on one truth, that is, we all accept the teachings Guru Granth Sahib Ji, without reservation. The authority of the Sikh Gurus vests in Guru Granth Sahib, which must be given the same respect, loyalty and authority accorded to Guru Nanak and his nine successors. Any site which deviates from this is doing a great disservice to Sikhi and we must be wary of them.
     
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    I would indeed say, Aman ji, that they have adopted a "vedantic posture." The Reality Seekers site publishes a lot of misleading and at times completely incorrect information. It is worth taking each issues and starting a thread to clear the fog.
     
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    I know I try to keep my blog, The Road To Khalistan genuinely Panthic. Our original purpose was simply to tell the truth about what happened to us in 1984. Over the years, that has expanded to my speaking my mind on a number of subjects. I try to be careful, though, that anyone stumbling in won't get a distorted view of Sikhi. I have an agenda and I am pretty up-front about it, I hope. I want everyone to know the truth about what happened in 1984. I support the establishment of Khalistan in Punjab. I follow the SRM, although I believe it needs revision. I deeply wish for unity in the Panth. The traditional Sikh virtue of chardi kala, seemingly in hibernation since 1984 needs to be revived in a big way. I enjoy being a Sikh.

    I know some of my views, specifically in supporting Khalistan, are controversial, but I think none of them contradict anything in Shri Guru Granth Sahib. My guiding principle, the test I use for every post, is always: Would I be ashamed or embarrassed if Guru Gobind Singh ji read it? If it doesn't pass that test, it doesn't get posted. :coolkudi:
     
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    Mai Harinder Kaur ji

    Gurfateh

    This is the first time I am addressing you directly. I have had the pleasure of reading many of your posts and admire you a lot for your candidness, articulate expression of thought, and passion for Sikhi.

    It felt strange, at first, addressing you as ‘Mai’ since I often refer to ladies much older than me by this title revered title. The fact that I am somewhat older than you, but only in worldly age, was the main reason for my mental stutter. On second thought I realized that on the scale of wisdom and spirituality you are far ahead of me and your thoughts and philosophy far weightier than mine.

    Returning to the topic, there is absolutely nothing wrong, in my opinion, in having an agenda – we all do when we set upon a task we believe in. If the intention is sincere and noble it is a worthwhile cause. I personally set myself aims and objectives when launching arshiwaves.co.uk amongst which were:

    “AW has been set up to propagate the teachings of the Sikh Gurus initially through shabad kirtan and articles but subsequently, with the Grace of Guru, through other media such as DVDs, books etc. This is a humble attempt and with Guru Nanak’s blessings and the support of Sadh Sangat we hope to make some impact on the spiritual structure of our society. The mission of AW extends further than this, in that it aims to foster good relationships with people of other religions. We aim to show how one can be a good Sikh and at the same time a good human being. The teachings of any religion are the means and not the end, in that we use them to become good human beings.”

    Lofty objectives and I am no where near achieving even a fraction of these.



    These are precisely my own sentiments. In fact the first article I wrote was titled “Why I am Sikh” reflecting how lucky I was to be a part of Sikhi.


    An excellent idea – it always helps to be focused if we operate within parameters based on good ethics. Our Gurus emphasized truthful living above anything else.

    Kind regards

    Rajinder Singh 'Arshi'
     
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    Hi, Arshi (Rajinder Singh) ji!

    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa! Vaheguru ji ki fateh!!

    I am just a simple Sikh sister who has lived a complicated life. Really there's nothing special about me beyond having an incredible Dad who actually practiced the Sikhi principles such as female equality and broad-minded acceptance of others around him. As for my being called Mai, there is a story behind that; if you`re interested, it can be found at Mai? Mai. Mai!

    I agree that having an agenda is OK, necessary even, as long as it's clear and open. Hidden agendas are not good, generally speaking. I have just been looking over your website. I very much like the clean, uncluttered look. That makes it very inviting. I read part of it and enjoy it very much. My only suggestion would be to add more to it! Being a bit of a child at heart, I went to check out the Photo Gallery. Alas! Nothing happened. I think most of us do like pictures a lot.

    I love being Sikh and I'm glad it shows. I don't see it as luck, though; I see it as blessing.:veryhappykaur:

    I have put together a small website just to thank the people I feel like thanking. Please visit it if you would like. Thanks, Chardi Kala and Gurufateh.

    My family think that I am entirely too candid, lol. I think for me it is important to aim higher than I can achieve. My experience is that I never fly any higher than I aim for. Are you familiar with the song "The Impossible Dream"? My way of life, I think a not-too-bad description of being a Sikh comes from the last lines of that song, as sung in the finale of the play/movie, Man of La Mancha:

    To reach the unreachable star,
    Though you know it's impossibly high,
    To live with your heart striving upward
    To a far, unattainable sky!

    ikonkaar
     
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    I have visited both sites today at 4.20 pm TRUE SIKHISM and wwwgranthsahib.org
     
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    Yes, indeed, it/they is/are back up and running. What a pile! Ah, well, we've overcome worse than this in the past, and we will overcome this.

    :thumbsupp:
     
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    Mai Harinder Kaur ji

    Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh



    I did read the above and found it quite interesting but could not help chuckle a couple of times while reading and to cap it “The boy and the new-born baby just stared into each other's eyes. ……….. That ten year old boy was Mani. We were married 18 years later to the day.” was unique. Was it love at first sight? :geeksingh:


    When I first set up the site, it was merely to upload my albums (the three I had produced and future ones). But my interest began shifting more towards writing and now I wish to dedicate it purely to Gurbani articles/interpretation and kirtan recordings (15 shabads – recorded in Mumbai - have already been uploaded). Since setting it up, time has been the major issue due to work and other engagements. All that is happening now is uploading of articles as and when I write them. With Waheguru’s blessings I hope to develop the site – apending money is no objective as I regard this as nishkam sewa and my idea of ‘dusbandh’.

    I had uploaded some personal photos but had these removed as I intend them to be more meaningful and cover a wider spectrum.



    Absolutely ji – let us say I have been 'lucky' to have received this blessing :).
    Kind regards

    'Arshi'
     
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    Yeah, my Mai-ing is quite funny. I wish I could remember it. I grew up with that story about upchucking on Mani. BTW, Mani was my youngest brother's best friend and the son of Dad's business partner, so he was always around. "Love at first sight"? There was certainly no one else for either of us, but I think he and I have been dancing in and out of each other's lives for a long, long time! I have also written about him. Mani . That's my love story, told when I first started blogging. These blogs and websites have a way of taking on a life of their own. They are almost alive, changing and growing in sometimes odd directions, and like life itself leading us down roads we had never thought about walking on. (OMG!:shockedkudi: I'm waxing poetic. Forgive me. I get like that sometimes.)

    I have never spent a penny - or a paise - on any of my sites. In fact, I have little cash of any kind. I seem to be provided with what I need. Even this computer was a gift from a very generous friend who had all he could take of my old, ancient computer. Somehow, it all works out. I have absolute confidence that every thing that happens in the Hukam of Vaheguru, so I have nothing to be concerned about.

    As I have said, my Sikh beliefs are very basic and simple. I'm afraid I must leave the deep, meaningful stuff to those with more insight. I love to hear kirtan and read SGGS Ji, although, even in translation, it often puzzles me. There are some here at SPN who have great insight and I listen very intently to them.
     
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    Narayanjot Kaur Ji
    Gurfateh, do something if you or others can


    We should watch this website and read what they have to say I am shocked

    www.truesikhism.com

    This is why we have to understand the concept of What Prof Darshan Singh ji is talking about. But we are!!!!
    Gurfateh
     
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    Bmandur ji

    We have been following this web site. Thank you for bringing up on this thread. It was actually the first site we began to discuss.

    The content on the site is often wrong and always misleading. But the Internet is free unless a crime is being committed.

    Professor Darshan himself has said that the only to turn people around, to cure the situation, is "gian" which means that you and I and everyone who is shocked must make an effort to educate people. Close to home and on the Internet.
     
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