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Controversial ALL references to Bhoots, Prets, Demons, Angels and Joons are METAPHORICAL

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  1. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    Look at the following tuks form SGGS...

    Are these really Confirming presence of Evil Spirits that ENTER and haunt Humans ?? Proterligists that bang things and throw furnitures about..set fires..??? absolutley NOT...these are HUMAN BEINGS who dont have SATGURU in their lives...
    <table cellspacing="25" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 323, ਸਤਰ 2
    ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਕੀਤੋਨੁ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਤਿਨਿ ਕਰਣੈਹਾਰੇ ॥
    परेतहु कीतोनु देवता तिनि करणैहारे ॥
    Pareṯahu kīṯon ḏevṯā ṯin karṇaihāre.
    The ghost has been transformed into an angel by the Creator Lord.
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 513, ਸਤਰ 13
    ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਪਰੇਤੁ ਹੈ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਾ ॥
    माइआ मोहु परेतु है कामु क्रोधु अहंकारा ॥
    Mā▫i▫ā moh pareṯ hai kām kroḏẖ ahaʼnkārā.
    Emotional attachment to Maya, sexual desire, anger and egotism are demons.
    ਮਃ 3 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 614, ਸਤਰ 14
    ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਮੁਗਧ ਭਏ ਸ੍ਰੋਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
    पसू परेत मुगध भए स्रोते हरि नामा मुखि गाइआ ॥१॥
    Pasū pareṯ mugaḏẖ bẖa▫e saroṯe har nāmā mukẖ gā▫i▫ā. ||1||
    Even beasts, demons and fools become attentive listeners, when He sings the Praises of the Lord's Name. ||1||
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 802, ਸਤਰ 17
    ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਮੁਗਧ ਕਉ ਤਾਰੇ ਪਾਹਨ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ॥
    पसू परेत मुगध कउ तारे पाहन पारि उतारै ॥
    Pasū pareṯ mugaḏẖ ka▫o ṯāre pāhan pār uṯārai.
    You save the beasts, demons and fools, and even stones are carried across.
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 890, ਸਤਰ 2
    ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਮੁਗਧ ਤੇ ਬੁਰੀ ॥
    पसू परेत मुगध ते बुरी ॥
    Pasū pareṯ mugaḏẖ ṯe burī.
    Worse than a beast, a demon or an idiot,
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 963, ਸਤਰ 8
    ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਉਧਾਰੇ ਇਕ ਖਣੇ ॥
    पसू परेत अगिआन उधारे इक खणे ॥
    Pasū pareṯ agi▫ān uḏẖāre ik kẖaṇe.
    Even ignorant beasts and goblins can be saved, in an instant.
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 1149, ਸਤਰ 9
    ਖਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਬਿਨਸਿਓ ਮਹਾ ਪਰੇਤੁ ॥
    खिन महि बिनसिओ महा परेतु ॥
    Kẖin mėh binsi▫o mahā pareṯ.
    In an instant, the terrible demons are destroyed.
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 1224, ਸਤਰ 11
    ਪਸੁ ਪਰੇਤ ਉਸਟ ਗਰਧਭ ਅਨਿਕ ਜੋਨੀ ਲੇਟ ॥
    पसु परेत उसट गरधभ अनिक जोनी लेट ॥
    Pas pareṯ usat garḏẖabẖ anik jonī let.
    He is consigned to countless forms of reincarnation, into beasts, ghosts, camels and donkeys.
    ਮਃ 5 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 1329, ਸਤਰ 1
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਪਾਇਐ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਦੇਵ ਕਰੈ ॥੨॥
    सतिगुरि पाइऐ पूरा नावणु पसू परेतहु देव करै ॥२॥
    Saṯgur pā▫i▫ai pūrā nāvaṇ pasū pareṯahu ḏev karai. ||2||
    Finding the True Guru, the perfect cleansing bath is obtained, which transforms even beasts and ghosts into gods. ||2||
    ਮਃ 1 - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td>ਪੰਨਾ 1399, ਸਤਰ 12
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਚਰਨ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਪਰਸਿਆ ਸੇ ਪਸੁ ਪਰੇਤ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਭਇਅ ॥੨॥੬॥
    सतिगुरू चरन जिन्ह परसिआ से पसु परेत सुरि नर भइअ ॥२॥६॥
    Saṯgurū cẖaran jinĥ parsi▫ā se pas pareṯ sur nar bẖa▫i▫a. ||2||6||
    Whoever touches the Feet of the True Guru, is transformed from a beast and a ghost into an angelic being. ||2||6||
    ਭਟ ਨਲ੍ਯ੍ਯ - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</td></tr></tbody></table>Just like these Tuks mention HUMANS..with HUMAN BODIES..BUT ANIMAL Behaviour..animal habits.....Normally people think about Humans and Animals birds fish etc etc as DIFFERENT "JOONS"....different..Not really ..Because looking form the Perspective of SGGS....such "humans" are NOT really Human due to their habits..behaviour..thinking...etc...Lets see what Gurbani ahs to say about these "Human looking ANIMALS...."

    ਆਮ ਤੌਰ ’ਤੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਅਤੇ ਪਸ਼ੂ-ਪੰਛੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਲਗ-ਅਲਗ ਜੂਨ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸਰੀਰਕ ਰੂਪ ’ਚ ਵੀ ਵੇਖਣ ਨੂੰ ‘ਮਨੁੱਖ’ ਅਤੇ ‘ਪਸ਼ੂ ਪੰਛੀ’ ਵੱਖੋ-ਵੱਖਰੇ ਹਨ। ਮਨੁੱਖ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ‘ਮਨੁੱਖ’ ਪਿਆ ਸਮਝੇ ਲੇਕਿਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਨਜ਼ਰੀਏ ’ਚ ਕਰਨੀਆਂ ਕਰਕੇ, ਸੋਚਣੀ ਕਰਕੇ, ਉਹ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। ਆਓ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਵਿਚਾਰੀਏ, ਕਿਉਂ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਵੇਂ :-
    <dir> 1. ਜਿਨਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨ ਸੇਵਿਓ ਸਬਦਿ ਨ ਕੀਤੋ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ। ਓਇ ਮਾਣਸ ਜੂਨਿ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਪਸੂ ਢੋਰ ਗਾਵਾਰ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1418)
    SGGS Page 1418....SGGS declares those Human looking bodies...as NOT HUMAN JOON..But Base ANIMALS..lowest of the low animal kingdom beings..WHY ?? Becasue they never use their Human Intellect..brains..to CHANGE their way of thinking..behaviour etc to reflect HUMANISM....A Human who RAPES an UNDERAGE CHILD..cannot be HUMAN...hes not even an animal because no animal rapes puppies..cubs etc..
    ਭਾਵ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਨੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਸਵੈ-ਪੜਚੋਲ ਕਰਕੇ ਆਪਣੀਆਂ ਕਰਨੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੋਧਿਆ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਦਿਸਦੇ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹਨ ਪਰ ਕਰਨੀਆਂ ਕਰਕੇ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਢੋਰ ਗਵਾਰ ਹਨ।
    2. ਮਨਮੁਖ ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਬੇਤਾਲਿਆ।। ਪਸੂ ਮਾਣਸ ਚੰਮਿ ਪਲੇਟੇ ਅੰਦਰਹੁ ਕਾਲਿਆ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1284) ਭਾਵ ਬਾਹਰੋਂ ਚਮੜੀ ਕੇਵਲ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਵਾਲੀ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਅੰਦਰੋਂ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਹਨ। Such Humans only have Human SKIN...inside they are worse than the lowest of animals SGGS Page 1284...They are Mad..full of DECEIT and without NAAM...darkness envelops their hearts..

    3. ਰਤਨੁ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਹਨ ਕਉਡੀ ਪਸੂ ਨੀਚੁ ਇਆਨਾ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 547) ਭਾਵ ਰਤਨ ਵਰਗੀ ਮਤ ਤਿਆਗ ਕੇ ਨੀਵੀਂ ਮਤ ਕਾਰਨ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਹੈ।
    SGGS Page 547...Such people have DISCARDED the Diamond like BRAIN..GURU MATT..to pick up and treasure thier Manmatt...Lowest ANIMAL INSTICTIVE BEHAVIOUR is their Hallmark
    4. ਲੋਭ ਲਹਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਹਲਕੁ ਹੈ ਹਲਕਿਓ ਸਭਹਿ ਬਿਗਾਰੇ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 983) ਭਾਵ ਲੋਭ ਕਾਰਨ ਹਲਕੇ ਕੁੱਤੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈਂ ਹੈ।
    SGGS Page 983..such a Human who is engrossed in LOBH..avarice greed....etc is at the same level of a RABID DOG...
    5. ਪਸੂਆ ਕਰਮ ਕਰੈ ਨਹੀ ਬੂਝੈ ਕੂੜੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਕੂੜੋ ਹੋਇ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1132) ਮਨੁੱਖ ਪਸ਼ੂਆਂ ਵਾਲੇ ਕੰਮ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਪਛਾਣਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। SGGS Page 1132..Humans perform ANIMAL ACTS..peruse animal behaviour...and doesnt recognise himslef

    6. ਜਿਸ ਕੈ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਰਾਜ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ।। ਸੋ ਨਰਕਪਾਤੀ ਹੋਵਤ ਸੁਆਨੁ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 278) ਭਾਵ ਜਦੋਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਕਿਸਮ ਦੇ ਰਾਜ ਅਭਿਮਾਨ ਕਾਰਨ ਦੂਜਿਆਂ ਤੇ ਹਾਵੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਆਤਮਕ ਤੌਰ ’ਤੇ ਹੁਣੇ ਹੀ, ਅੱਜ ਹੀ ਕੁੱਤੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈਂ ਨਰਕ ਵਿਚ ਹੈ। SGGS page 278..a Human who is PROUD and haumaii full due to his imagined royalty..kingly status..richness..and "rules over" others not so...is DEAD SPIRITUALLY.....and IS ALREADY LIVING LIFE as a DOG IN HELL

    7. ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੂਕਰ ਹਰਕਾਇਆ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 239) ਰੱਬੀ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹਰਕਾਏ ਕੁੱਤੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈਂ ਹੈ।SGGS page 1428..Such a Human who is sans Simran Naam etc has no Godly qualities attributes..is a RABID DOG...

    8. ਏਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਜਿਹ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਕੈ ਨਾਹਿ ਮਨਿ।। ਜੈਸੇ ਸੂਕਰ ਸੁਆਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਾਨੋ ਤਾਹਿ ਤਨੁ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1428) ਜੋ ਸੱਚ ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੁੜਦਾ ਮਾਨੋ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਤਨ ਸੂਕਰ ਅਤੇ ਸੁਆਨ ਹੀ ਹੈ।SGGS Page 1428..Humans who are NOT :TRUE"..means His BODY is that of a PIG..or DOG...

    9. ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਗਰਧਭ ਕੀ ਨਿਆਈ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 239) ਸੱਚ ਤੋਂ ਮੁਨਕਰ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਗਧੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈਂ ਹੀ ਹੈ। SGGS Page 239..a man without Simran is at the Level of a DONKEY..

    10. ਜੋ ਨ ਸੁਨਹਿ ਜਸੁ ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦਾ।। ਪਸੁ ਪੰਖੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਗਦ ਜੋਨਿ ਤੇ ਮੰਦਾ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 188) ਭਾਵ ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਜਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੁਣਦਾ ਉਹ ਪਸੂ-ਪੰਖੀ ਤੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਗਦ ਜੋਨ ਤੋਂ ਵੀ ਮੰਦਾ ਹੈ। SGGS page 188..a Human who doesnt or wouldnt hear Praises of The Creator..is Lower and worse than even the animals, birds and the Lowest of the Low sewage bacteria etc...

    11. ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਅਸਲਿ ਖਰ ਜਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਣ ਗਰਬੁ ਕਰੰਤ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1411) ਭਾਵ ਹੰਕਾਰ ਕਾਰਨ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹੁਣੇ ਹੀ ਖੋਤੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈਂ ਹੈ। SGGS.Page 1411..The REAL DONKEY or *** is Human who doesnt have any Good Qualities, habits, attributes or character..BUT PRIDES HIMSELF as a High Class Human !!

    12. ਮੂਲੁ ਨ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਆਪਣਾ ਸੇ ਪਸੂਆ ਸੇ ਢੋਰ ਜੀਉ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 751) ਆਪਣਾ ਮੂਲ ਨ ਬੁਝਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਢੋਰ ਹੀ ਹੈ।
    SGGS page 751..a Human who doesnt KNOW his True ORIGIN...is an ANIMAL dumbest of all animals..
    13. ਹਰਿ ਬਿਸਰਤ ਸੋ ਮੂਆ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 407)
    SGGS Page 407..He is DEAD..who has abandoned the Creator !!
    14. ਪਸੁ ਆਪਨ ਹਉ ਹਉ ਕਰੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਹਾ ਕਮਾਤਿ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 251) Sggs page 251..Human who doesnt obey the Creators commands..and cries out MY MY I ME ME...is an ANIMAL by INSTICT...not Human !!

    15. ਕੂਕਰ ਸੂਕਰ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੂੜਿਆਰਾ।। ਭਉਕਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਭਉ ਭਉ ਭਉ ਹਾਰਾ। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1029) SGGS Page 1029..the UNTRUTHFUL..the LIARS..dogs..pigs..bark and bark endlessly until they are all tired out...

    16. ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੀਣਸ੍ਹ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੰਤ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਸਟਣਹ।। ਕੂਕਰਹ ਸੂਕਰਹ ਗਰਧਭਹ ਕਾਕਹ ਸਰਪਨਹ ਤੁਲਿ ਖਲਹ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1356)
    SGGS page 1356..Those Humans who have not the GURMANTAR..the Good Attributes of the Creator..the Knoweldge of the Creator..are in fact CURSED...they are more like dogs..pigs..snakes..etc etc..
    </dir> ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਐਸੇ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਪਰਮਾਣ ਹਨ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰੋਢਾਵਾਦੀ ਢੰਗ (vernaculars, metaphors) ਨਾਲ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਪੰਛੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਲਫਜ਼ ਵਰਤ ਕੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ‘ਸਤਿਗੁਰ’ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ ਕਰਵਾਇਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਮਨੁੱਖ ‘ਕਰਤੂਤਾਂ ਪਸ਼ੂਆਂ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ’ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ‘ਮਾਨਸ ਜਾਤ’ ਹੈ। SGGS has HUNDREDS of such EXAMPLARY METAPHORS comparative Metaphors in which words such as Dogs, donkeys, pigs, snakes, etc are used to show that certain Humans have been born Human, have human bodies..BUT their Behaviour is ANIMAL...

    ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਮਾਈ।। ਤਬ ਇਹ ਮਾਨਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਪਾਈ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1159) SGGS Page 1159....declares that IF a man behaves accordingly to.. and walks the Path of UNIVERSAL TRUTH..then we cna truly say that HE is HUMAN JOON...otherwise we ahve to admit..that even though born as human..he has failed to be HUMAN and is in reality an animal by habit and behaviour.

    ਦੇ ਭਾਵ ਅਰਥ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਕਰ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਸੱਚੇ ਗਿਆਨ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰ (universal truth) ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਜਿਊਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਮਾਨੋ ਉਸਨੇ ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਦੇਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ ਵਰਨਾ ਮਨੁੱਖੀ ਸਰੀਰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਕੇ ਵੀ ਉਹ ਕਰਤੂਤਾਂ ਕਾਰਨ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਭਾਵ ਇਹ ਨਿਕਲਿਆ ਕਿ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਕੋਲ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਵਾਲੀ ਚਮੜੀ ਤਾਂ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਅੰਦਰੋਂ (ਬਿਰਤੀ ਕਾਰਨ, ਸੋਚ ਕਾਰਨ) ਪਸ਼ੂ, ਪੰਛੀ, ਸੱਪ, ਖੋਤਾ ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਸਮੁੱਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਪ੍ਰੋਢਾਵਾਦੀ ਢੰਗ ਵਰਤ ਕੇ ਆਤਮਕ ਅਤੇ ਮਾਨਸਕ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਦੀਆਂ ਜੂਨੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਬਿਆਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋਏ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ‘ਉੱਚੀ ਕਰਨੀ’ ਵੱਲ ਪ੍ਰੇਰਿਤ ਕਰਦੀ ਹੈ। SGGS is written for HUMANS..to change and become TRULY HUMANS beloved of the CREATOR....its NOT written to frighten us about what we may be "reborn as..reincarnated as"...as THAT is beyond our FREE WILL and is the Creators DOMAIN..the SGGS is here in Human langauge..human writing..for human EYES...to read..think..ponder over..and CHANGE our Human LIFE so we become truly HUMAN...maybe even ANGELS...DEVTAS that people hold in High ESTEEM....Bhagat Pooran Singh...Mother Theresa.. and not DEMONS...serial killers..murderers,..rapists.. that have to be CAGED in maximum security Prisons !! kept locked up in totla darkness solitary confinement out of sight !! GURU NANAK JI SAHIBS WRITTEN TESTIMONY DECLARES..." I DONT KNOW what happens after DEATH..where every one goes..ITs the CREATORS DOMAIN..only HE KNOWS....."..so why do His SIKHS waste precious moments dwelling MORBIDLY on such subject...maybe this...maybe that...maybe yes..maybe not...while the HUMAN BREATHS clock is ticking..away...precious moments slip away...the TRUE DIVINE MESSAGE of SGGS written for Humans by Humans..of HUMANS...lies Closed under Rumallahs..while sikhs shake in fear of Bhoots prets..spirits..???? There is ONLY "SO MUCH" that cna be done...a Parent can check under the bed..inside the closet..and delcare..THERE are NO GHOSTS..no MONSTERS....BUT ultimately its the CHILD who has to LET go of his fears and close his eyes for a peaceful sleep..IF he continues to "see" monsters under his bed..or in the closet...then there is NO CURE ....

    ਸੁਆਮੀ ਕੋ ਗ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜਿਉ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਆਨ ਤਜਤ ਨਹੀ ਨਿਤ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 1428) SGGS..Page 1428..Even a DOG is good...BUT a HUMAN who doesnt live a huamn lifestyle...and instead is driven by his inherent animal instincts to behave like a dog..then that HUMAN BIRTH is USELESS ...a waste of precious Human Life..

    ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਇਸ ਪੰਕਤੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਕੁੱਤਾ ਵੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਇਨਸਾਨੀਅਤ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਨਾ ਜਿਊ ਕੇ ਪਸ਼ੂਆਂ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਕਰਤੂਤਾਂ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜੂਨ ਵੀ ਬੇਕਾਰ ਹੈ। ਪਸੂ ਮਿਲਹਿ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਖੜੁ ਖਾਵਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਦੇਹਿ।। ਨਾਮ ਵਿਹੂਣੇ ਆਦਮੀ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਰਮ ਕਰੇਹਿ।। (ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਪੰਨਾ : 489)SGGS Page 489..an Animal..eats grass and provides humans with MILK..it gets Compliments..but what to say about a human..who has no Gunns..no naam..no attributes of the creator in him....that human is lowest of the low..worthless birth...utterly worthless human ..

    ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ’ਚ ਐਸੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਇਹ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਉਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ‘ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਸਰੀਰ’ ਨੂੰ ‘ਮਾਨਸ ਜੂਨ’ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਬਲਕਿ ਮਾੜੀਆਂ ਕਰਤੂਤਾਂ ਵਾਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਮਾਨੋ ਆਤਮਕ/ਮਾਨਸਕ ਰੂਪ ’ਚ ਹੁਣੇ ‘ਪਸ਼ੂ ਪੰਛੀ’ ਦੀ ਜੂਨ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਪਿਆ ਹੈ। ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ‘ਉੱਚੀ ਜੀਵਨੀ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ’ ਬਣਨ ਨਾਲ ਜੋ ਆਤਮਕ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਉਸਨੂੰ ‘ਮਾਨਸ ਜੂਨ’ ਆਖੀਦਾ ਹੈ, ਇਹ ਸੋਝੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਤੋਂ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ। SGGS and Gurbani has hundreds of tuks and examples that clearly show that its NOT the "human BODY" that makes a HUMAN...but a real human is one who has the goodness..the good attributes of the Creator..Truthful LIVING makes a Man HUMAN...a TRULY HUMAN JOON is an attribute of the MANN..not BODY. This GYAAN ...this ultra modern Knowledge is derived form the SGGS. Such an IDEAL HUMAN is equivalent to an ANGEL..a DEVTA...a LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BODY with the right attributes inside of him...and the OPPOSITE is a DEMON..a BHOOT a PRET...

     
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    Not sure this thread is talking about gods. There are other threads where the existence of gods and goddesses has been discussed ad nauseam.
     
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    Ishna Ji..
    Its NOT....about shiva braham or lakshmee
    its about demons bhoots prets that we see in movies screaming blood curdling shrieks, drinking blood tongues dripping blood eyes bloodshot etc etc
    THESE DONT EXIST except in Movies..nightmares..or in the imagination...
     
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    Kamala ji

    You have cited 3 individual tuks without the entire shabad. Not only is Ishna ji correct. These tuks have been discussed and explained elsewhere, they do not prove anything because they are freestanding and quoted out of context. We have a forum rule ... post complete shabad and explain it in your on words. So now I must delete because I am really tired of repeating myself. Sorry.
     
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    I thought the Devtas and Devis were considered Angels..
     
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    Just like Batman is an angel?
     
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    and some "angels" have WINGS in their backsides..others fly on their feet..or in specially constructed 'flying machines"....whereas all DEMONS are the same..they look horrible and jump about hurling blood curdling howls...Batman..Spiderman..Superman..Fantastic Four..Super Woman..which is which..?? and now we have lots of demons in Harry potter movies..Lord of the Rings etc...and Men in WHITE beards cholas etc portraying GOOD (god angels etc)icecreammundaicecreammundaicecreammunda icecreammunda icecreammunda
     
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    BAHAGAT KABIR JI...declares..that BODY that has no SAADH...the CREATOR inside...GUNNAS of the Creator...the Body that WALKS Backwards..off the beaten path of goodness...betaala..here and there as if lost...such

    PUTTHEH Paireen...."Backward facing feet" are the hallmark..nishanee of so called Ghosts..bhoots...and THIS is exactly what Betaala..one who does not walk on the Path of TRUTH..is WAYWARD means..

    Gurbani..SGGS..explains so clearly..yet we make no effort to get it...we continue to see ghosts bhoots prets in our MINDS..because w e dont want to walk the TRUE PATH..
     
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    I beg to differ, demons do exist, I was married to one, pity they really do not have red eyes and fangs, I could have saved myself from being demonised
     
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    That was a offensive joke S:
    Anyways, I was trying to prove that the "Angels" exist, whatever though, you guys just keep deleting my posts.
     
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    We are all free to believe what we wish, if a belief in Angels helps you get through the day, more power to you, its your life and your choice. I have to say that my belief is that Angels do not exist, for the simple reasoning that if you believe in Angels, then by default you have to believe in demons, ghosts, bad spirits, in which case you have to believe in a chief demon, or a devil. It can all get very confusing, which is why I think our Gurus were most enlightened in saying that there is only one force, once energy, and that is the Creative force that we cherish.

    Also, why bother proving Angels exist? you may have an easier task splitting the atom with a meat cleaver! You believe in Angels, fine, I can respect that , there is no need to prove it to anyone.

    btw, it was not a joke.
     
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    But you don't understand, I am not believing in them because I want to, it's because they are real according to like the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

    btw I call Angels the Devtas/Devis, not the Abrahamic Angels.
     
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    Even in religious paths where angels are believed to be messengers of "God" even there they are not physically "real."

    My sense is that your opinion about angels is not too different from views your expressed about "piercings" in May 2011. You seem to want to graft Sikhi onto Hindu philosophy. See http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/35511-earrings-allowed-7.html#post146866

    So if you want to argue that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does see "angels" as having a credible identity, then you have to provide the shabads and give us your interpretation. Otherwise, we are turning in circles. If you want to argue that angels are the devtas/devis from the vedas, again you have to provide shabads and give us your interpretation. Or we are just turning in circles. We have also discussed many times that Sikhi is not the fruit of Hinduism; and that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not an offshoot of the Vedas. If that is the basis for your belief, again we are just turning in circles. So it would be a good idea for you to provide a detailed account of your beliefs, because one-liners have not been helpful in this discussion. And, single tuks without shabads and interpretation are spam.
     
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    Ranjit Singh Ji in his video above challenges anyone to prove that Ghosts prets bhoots angels devis devtas etc exist and he will quote the SGGS to prove it WRONG. WELL SAID Baba Ji..thats exactly what SGGS says....all these are figments of the Imagination and the only REAL Physical self is the HUMAN BEING...

    Another example of metaphorical use of words like DEVTAS in SGGS is..Panni devta, GHEE Devta..ANN GRAINS Devta..SALT DEVTA...now if we consider these to be the real devtas..then we are EATING DEVTAS ?? when we eat bread..?? ghee..drink water..???
    Here the word "Devta" is metaphoricla for the GOOD Foods.good things in life The CREATOR PROVIDES for the HUMAN BODY in which HE RESIDES...

    Please listen to the end...:japosatnamwaheguru:
     
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    sat sri akal sir _/\_
    there is another video where he on the other hand agrees such thing exists
    real story sant baba mskeen ji and sant baba isher singh ji - YouTube


    now on which statement of baba ranjeet singh to be trusted?
     
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    It can become very frustrating can't it? :kudifacepalm:
     
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    what, that a fictional cartoon character who spends his life unmasking ghosts to be real people, is closer to the mark than someone who has spent a lifetime in Sikhi?

    I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, but, Im with Scooby on this one.
     
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