Anyway, your point about my 'exaggerated' accounts of racism in the UK is in the toilet where it belongs. If you've shown so much 'circumspection' in this matter I seriously wonder about your perceptions on any matter.
Just so you know, those skins attacking the Bengalis wouldn't pause in their **** bashing and act all civilised if they encountered Sikhs. You don't seem very sharp, because even if you left in 70 whatever, attacks on Asians in East London were a well known phenomena going well into the 80s. Maybe you was too busy daydreaming about playboy playmates or something to notice what was going on around you? You tell me?
Were you one of those kinds of Sikhs in East London, who lived in public housing and looked for handouts from the government rather than seeking for an honest work?
I happen to know quite a few of them who learnt these tricks from the Bangladeshis and others who conned the British government into freebies and constantly had brawls with the skin heads who saw them as competition for the same gravy train.
Firstly shame on you for your cheap shot at Bengalis. The answer is no, my family owned their own properties. And yes, some brawls took place in self defense. Trouble was brought to you, as much as you wanted to avoid it. Being friendly or sycophantic didn't help but made things worse.
I'm educated, I've been to university a few times, I've worked in warehouses, building sites, in the square mile as an engineer, as a teacher. I'm not some ignorant brown chav if that is what you are getting at. But all that crap probably means more to you than someone like me.
Relating to current matters. US Sikhs can learn a thing or two from the East London experience - instead of being constant victims. Essentially concentrate yourselves and protect yourselves against hostility. As you learned from your market stall experience - standing up for yourself actually gets respect and makes your life easier. Waiting for animals to act civilised towards you is a fool's game.
As for Afghanistan, if self defense isn't feasible, if you aren't in a position to carve out a place for yourselves like Asians did in a very hostile East London (which given the situation there is understandable) - get out and move somewhere less vile. Anyone who can get out should, anyone who can't should be helped by the wider international community. As an aside, I personally would like to also stress the point about how foreign invasions/interference seem to have directly cause the current negative environment there for Sikhs. Something too many people ignore.
Ultimately I see East London as a model or beacon for minorities who are enduring violent racist hatred. Asians run those skinheads out of town despite being outnumbered and having a hostile media and complicit police force that pretty much supported the neo-nazis. That should give hope to some people who are enduing similar circumstances around the globe, especially the US. That being said, what that gurdwara incident in the US showed me is that whilst the skins where defeated here, their thinking and philosophy still lives on elsewhere - as shown by the skin who walked into that Gurdwara and murdered innocent Sikhs for no reason.
By the way it is ignorant to ask for newspaper reports from that time. Remember the police would arrest ANY Asians involved in any fracas with whites (look up the Newham 7), even if it where 1 asian lad being set upon by 5 English men. Asians did not (understandably) trust the media or police and rarely reported attacks. Not only that there was a sort of mass silence by the indigenous, partly out of shame and partly because people had sympathy with the attackers objectives. The exceptions to this were the leftists. Even today in the East End, most indigenous whites like to pretend these things didn't happen and obliterate them from memory and watch aghast as 'p@kis' usually out perform them educationally and economically.
Now, as you have no sensible argument to make, you are twirling all over the place to justify your falsehoods.
I'd say that is the case with you. Your only contribution on this thread was to place doubt on the veracity of my depiction of working class England a few decades ago, describing it as an 'exaggeration'. I've provided a number of independent accounts in support of my statement and could give you loads more.
Maybe you should revise your own conception of the past and ask yourself how such significant things could have gone on without them registering in your brain? I wonder what else escaped your notice?
I'm not going to ask for an apology from you because frankly it makes no difference to me one way or another.
What does sicken me to the core however, is how people like yourself, in your oblivious state, totally negate the real experiences of racism of others and essentially play it down and in effect let the perpetrators off the hook. Essentially your suggestion is that real experiences of violent racism is some exaggerated figment of our imagination. You're like a neo-nazis dream come true.
