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  1. Boota

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    The site is full of propoganda desgines to undermine Sikhism.

    There are many articles such as this one;



    All ten Gurus marriages were conducted by Hindu pandits and they were married within Hindu rituals, as were other Sikhs until the Anand Karaj Act was passed in 1909.

    The Laava written by teh 4th Guru Ram Dass were about mans spiritual union wiv god, which can never be BROKEN, not about a union between man and woman!


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    The Guru Granth Sahib contains around 15,028 of references to Hindu concepts and the names of Hindu gods.


    A near-exact count is given in K.P. Agrawala: Adi Shrî Gurû Granth Sâhib kî Mahimâ (Hindi: “The greatness of the original sacred Guru scripture”), p.2, and in Ram Swarup: “Hindu roots of Sikhism”, Indian Express,

    The name of the Hindu god Shri Ram, is recited 2,400 times, (the gods name whose constant repetition leads to salvation).

    Hari (Vishnu) over 8,300 times, 630 times by Guru Nanak alone,

    Parabrahman, 550 times, Omkara, (the primeval sound of OM) 400 times.
    Please note the names of countless other Hindu gods are also mentioned and are one and the same.

    In contrast the name Mohammed is never mentioned and the name allah is used but a couple of times, merely as an example. It is interesting to note that the Granth itself contains banis from seven of the sikh gurus, two muslim Sufis, but EIGHTEEN Hindu saints and pandits.

    The religious source of Sikhism is Hinduism, Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism. Guru Granth Sahib reflect Vedantic philosophy, the Vedanta of Rishi Vedvyas who wrote the Mahabharat. The japji Sahib is based on Upanishads.


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    IN 1500 , Guru Nanak Dev Ji ( 1469-1538 ad.), went to bathe in a stream and was missing for three days.His first statement when he came out was “neti, neti " (neither here, nor there from the Upanishads-Vedas) na koi hindu, na koi turkh, kudrat keh hain sab bandey".

    ...three days is a short time if you want to free yourself from acquired physics and start a new religion... the insight with which he came back with after three days retreat, as quoted by Khushwant Singh was entirely within Hindu tradition:

    " their is no muslim, no hindu" it does not mean that I Nanak, am neither hindu or muslim, it means that the self ( atma , timeless indweller, the object of this mystical experience) is beyond worldly divisions....

    ”the self is neither black nor white, neither hindu nor muslim, neither this nor that : neti, neti ,” is the Upanishadic phrase from the Vedas, is as typically Hindu as you can get’’

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji, continued the bhakti methods of the saints before him, starting with the oral repetition of the name "Rama Nama'

    If Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s discovery " neither hindu nor muslim" had meant a positive conclusion, wouldn’t he have said: "neither Hindu, nor Muslim , sab Sikh?

    It is strange that the statement used by many to say, he founded a new religion does not even mention this new religion?



    Ek Om Kar, was already there in the Vedas - Hindu text, it is still there today. Ek = single OM = supreme being KAR= sound. Guru Nanak merely emphasised that particular path. Ek Om Kar is originally a Hindu concept. some Sikh separatists like to say EK ‘ON’KAR! what does ‘on’ mean?


    Guru Angad was a devoted worshipper of the Goddess Durga. Every year he used to lead a group of devotees from Khadur Sahib, where he had settled, to the temple of Jwalamukhi in the lower Himalayas. In 1532 ad he met Guru Nanak at Kartarpur (pakistan) on his way to Jwalamukhi and became his disciple. Guru Nanak was most impressed with the devotion and selfless services of Lehna, that he proclaimed him as his successor guru in ad1539. As Nanak had previously embraced him, and because of the touch with his body e.g. "ang", he changed the name of Lehna to Angad, Guru Angad made Khadur sahib his headquarters. Humayun, the Mughal emperor called on him here and paid him homage.


    Sikhs were always known as a sect of Hinduism, which is why they continued celebrating traditional Hindu festivals such as Rakhri, Diwali, Lohri, Vaisakhi, Dusshera and Holi. Unlike the Hindus who became known as muslims and started celebrating muslim festivals. If indeed the Gurus wanted to create a new religion, would they not have created religious festivals to coincide and mark this new religions separate?


    Hindus and the Hindus who later became known as Sikhs, would worship together at Hari(Vishnu)-mandir Sahib, aptly named by the fourth guru Ram Dass,(1574-1581), it housed murtis of Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu and the 6th Guru Harigobind until 1906 and is today known as the golden temple.



    Some closed minded bigots refer to Hindus as Idol worshippers, but Idol worshiping is truly something that we do not do, we worship with great vigor, with heart and soul.

    Idol-worshipping is an offensive and derogatory term used by the British during the British Raj through shear ignorance to degrade our ancient religion. We use Murtis to help us worship we do not specifically worship these images, we use these as focal points to help us worship god.


    http://hindusikh.myfastforum.org/ftopic32.php



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    thanx for the information brother... hun wekhi jana ki ki hunda uthe:)

    Hindu Andha Turku Kana
    Dohaan te Gyani Syana.... Bhagat Naam Devji

    I think its the right time that Hindus must read these lines of Bhagat Naam Devji from Sri Guru Granth Sahib.
     
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    Khalsa Ji,

    Another such site is: Hindu-Sikh Relationship (Part 1/5)

    What these people are doing is called "slow poisoning". They have very well understood that internet is a powerful weapon in present world and they are using it very shrewdly to spread misinformation.

    Note a few points that I picked from my partial reading of the link provided above: -
    • The Sikh sect was founded by Guru Nanak Dev ( 1469-1538 A.D.) and promoted further by nine other Gurus, the last of whom, Govind Singh (b. 1675), died in 1708 A.D.
    >>> note that they consider Sikhism as a "sect" and not a religion.
    • and promoted further by nine other Gurus, the last of whom, Govind Singh (b. 1675), died in 1708 A.D
    >>> on all such sites you can note that they purposefully write the spelling "Govind" instead of "Gobind" for Guru Gobind Singh ji.
    • GuruNanak came from a Vaishnava family in that part of the Punjab which went to pakis- tan after the partition in 1947.
    >>> ...well Sikhism does not divide the society into: Brahmin, Khastriya, Vaishya or Shudra ...but these guys are classifying the founder Guru of Sikhism itself.
    • It was in this atmosphere that Guru Nank asserted the superiority of his ancestral spirituality as against Islamic monotheism which had divided mankind into hostile camps and set children of the same Divinity at each other's throats.
    >>> ...hmmm...very nice way to fool people! So this means Guru Nanak Dev ji were singing praises for Hinduism and its rituals?
    • This was an act of great courage because Islam prescribed the penalty of death for anyone who said that Hinduism was a religion as good as Islam, not to speak of saying that Hinduism was superior. Many Hindus had been put to death for uttering such a "blasphemy."
    >>>...according to these people from the site, Guru Nanak Dev ji was debating to prove that Hinduism was superior to Islam...what an insult to all the hard work of Guru Nanak Dev ji !
    • While Hindu warriors fought against Islamic invaders on many a battlefield all over the country, Hindu saints and sages created a country-wide spiritual upsurge which came to be known as the Bhakti Movement.
    • The only variation on the central theme was that while most schools of Bhakti deepened the spirit behind outer forms of worship, some others laid greater emphasis on advaitic mysticism as ex- pounded in the Upanishads and the various traditions of Yoga. The latter schools alone could flourish in the Punjab and the rest of the North-West which had been denuded of Hindu temples and where ritual Practices were forbidden by the Muslim rulers. It was natural for Guru Nanak to be drawn towards this school in the course of his spiritual seeking and sing its typical strains in his own local language.
    • In due course, a splendid edifice, Hari- mandir (temple of Hari), rose in the middle of this tank and be- came the supreme centre of the Sikh sect. Its sanctum sanc- torum came to house the Adi Granth confining compositions of Sikh Gurus and a score of other Hindu saints from different parts of the country.
    >>> Oh nice!!! good focus and "sandhi -vichched" (break down of a word which was made by joining 2 words) of Harmadar Sahab!!...simply done to confuse the ignorant young Sikh generation.
    • There is not a single line in the Adi Granth which sounds discordant with the spirituality of Hinduism.
    • All strands of Hinduism may not be reflected in Sikhism. But there is nothing in Sikhism, its diction, its imagery, its idiom, its cosmogony, its mythology, its stories of saints and sages and heroes, its meta- physics, its ethics, its methods of meditation, its rituals - which is not derived from the scriptures of Hinduism.
    • Parikrama ( Peram- bulation ) performed by Sikhs round every Gurudwara, the dhoop(incense), deep(lamp), naivaidya(offerings) presented by the devotees inside every Sikh shrine, and the prasadam (sanctified food) distributed by Sikh priests resemble similar rites in every other Hindu place of worship.
    • A dip in the tank attached to the Harimandir is regarded as holy by Hindus and Sikhs in particular as a dip in the Ganga.
    • Hindus in the Punjab regard the Adi Granth as the sixth Veda, in direct succession to the Rik, the Sama, the Yajus, the Atharva and the Mahabharata.
    • Sikhs visited temples of various other Hindu sects, went to Hindu places of Pilgrimage and cherished the cow together with many other symbols of Hinduism.
    >>> So Sikhs consider cow as as holy??? ..what nonsense!. I am surprised how much time these guys have spent selecting words for porposefully creating confusion and also hiding their intentions behind the words.
    • The menace looked all the more serious because Sikhism was drawing back to the Hindu fold some converts on who Islam had sat lightly
    >>> So Sikhs were asking the Muslims to convert back to Hinduism?? I cant stop laughing...
    • He [Guru Gobind Singh ji] as a versatile scholar who knew several languages, kept the company of learned Brahmins.
    >>> Brahmins are more learned then Guru Gobind Singh ji?? ...they are trying to give an impression that all the knowlegde and wisedom of Guru Gobind Singh ji was due to the company of the "brahmins"
    • He [Guru Gobind Singh ji] performed an elaborate Yajna presided over by pandits of the ancient lore and invoked the Devi for the protection of dharma
    >>> oh!!....great!. ...anything else?
    • as the Sikhs themselves were only a sect within the larger Hindu society.
    >>>..There you go! .:) ...that is the thing these guys wanted to say and that is why they have taken such pain to write this article.
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