Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

A Shabad I came across - possible interpretations

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by chazSingh, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Because we do not pick out one line and attempt to understand it without the context of the full shabad, I have reposted the full shabad and Ang number to follow. The full shabad always casts a different light on the meaning of a single tuk, contrasted by the tuk alone, or just a few lines. If these rules are not followed, future threads will be deleted without notice. Thank you/spnadmin


    man ku(n)char kaaeiaa oudhiaanai ||
    The mind is an elephant in the forest of the body.

    gur a(n)kas sach sabadh neesaanai || raaj dhuaarai sobh s maanai ||1||
    The Guru is the controlling stick; when the Insignia of the True Shabad is applied, one obtains honor in the Court of God the King. ||1||

    chathuraaee neh cheeniaa jaae ||
    He cannot be known through clever tricks.

    bin maarae kio keemath paae ||1|| rehaao ||
    Without subduing the mind, how can His value be estimated? ||1||Pause||

    ghar mehi a(n)mrith thasakar laeee ||
    In the house of the self is the Ambrosial Nectar, which is being stolen by the thieves.

    na(n)naakaar n koe karaeee ||
    No one can say no to them.

    raakhai aap vaddiaaee dhaeee ||2||
    He Himself protects us, and blesses us with greatness. ||2||

    neel aneel agan eik t(h)aaee ||
    There are billions, countless billions of fires of desire at the seat of the mind.

    jal nivaree gur boojh bujhaaee ||
    They are extinguished only with the water of understanding, imparted by the Guru.

    man dhae leeaa rehas gun gaaee ||3||
    Offering my mind, I have attained it, and I joyfully sing His Glorious Praises. ||3||

    http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=703


    Sangat Ji, I came across this shabad a while back and have often contemplated it's meaning, especially the line that I have highlighted above.

    The mention of Amrit existing within our own home (body) and being robbed stolen by the 'thieves' which i am assuming are the 5 thieves Ego, Anger, Lust, Greed and Attachment.

    It would be interesting what the sangat interpret this as being, your thoughts on this shabad with reference to the highlighted line.

    God Bless All Ji
     
    • Like Like x 3
  2. Loading...

    Similar Threads Forum Date
    Dancing To Shabads Sikh Sikhi Sikhism Feb 10, 2016
    Shabad Numbering System New to Sikhism Dec 1, 2015
    The Shabad That Brought Me In Convert's Corner Oct 31, 2015
    Could Be the Shortest Shabad Blogs Oct 22, 2015
    The day I listened to my first shabad Blogs Oct 17, 2015

  3. arshdeep88

    arshdeep88 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    311
    Likes Received:
    641
    chaaz ji
    brother could this Ambroisal Nectar be peace of mind being talked of which can be easily disturbed?
     
    • Like Like x 4
  4. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    I am wondering why srigranth.com is not used for the posting of shabads. Sikhitothemax poses font problems because it does not use unicode. But it is so easy to search srigranth and find the same shabad, with the advantage that we have the Gurmukhi. This is important because the transliteration does not consistently transport into the interpretation possible different meanings for the same word.

    No Ang has been included. Therefore additional work is needed to find the shabad on the search engine. Please remember:

    Full shabad required under most circumstances
    Gurmukhi required
    transliteration optional
    English translation required
    Ang number required


    These are important because personal opinions only go so far when we are looking at gurbani vichaar.

    This is my last warning.


    ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
    Ga▫oṛī gu▫ārerī mėhlā 1.
    Gauree Gwaarayree, First Mehl:

    ਮਨੁ ਕੁੰਚਰੁ ਕਾਇਆ ਉਦਿਆਨੈ ॥
    Man kuncẖar kā▫i▫ā uḏi▫ānai.
    The mind is an elephant in the forest of the body.

    ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਕਸੁ ਸਚੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਨੀਸਾਨੈ ॥
    Gur ankas sacẖ sabaḏ nīsānai.
    The Guru is the controlling stick; when the Insignia of the True Shabad is applied,

    ਰਾਜ ਦੁਆਰੈ ਸੋਭ ਸੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥੧॥
    Rāj ḏu▫ārai sobẖ so mānai. ||1||
    one obtains honor in the Court of God the King. ||1||

    ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਨਹ ਚੀਨਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
    Cẖaṯurā▫ī nah cẖīni▫ā jā▫e.
    He cannot be known through clever tricks.

    ਬਿਨੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਿਉ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    Bin māre ki▫o kīmaṯ pā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    Without subduing the mind, how can His value be estimated? ||1||Pause||

    ਘਰ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਸਕਰੁ ਲੇਈ ॥
    Gẖar mėh amriṯ ṯaskar le▫ī.
    In the house of the self is the Ambrosial Nectar, which is being stolen by the thieves.


    ਨੰਨਾਕਾਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ਕਰੇਈ ॥
    Nannākār na ko▫e kare▫ī.
    No one can say no to them.
    ਰਾਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਦੇਈ ॥੨॥

    Rākẖai āp vadi▫ā▫ī ḏe▫ī. ||2||
    He Himself protects us, and blesses us with greatness. ||2||

    ਨੀਲ ਅਨੀਲ ਅਗਨਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਈ ॥
    Nīl anīl agan ik ṯẖā▫ī.
    There are billions, countless billions of fires of desire at the seat of the mind.

    ਜਲਿ ਨਿਵਰੀ ਗੁਰਿ ਬੂਝ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥
    Jal nivrī gur būjẖ bujẖā▫ī.
    They are extinguished only with the water of understanding, imparted by the Guru.

    ਮਨੁ ਦੇ ਲੀਆ ਰਹਸਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਈ ॥੩॥
    Man ḏe lī▫ā rahas guṇ gā▫ī. ||3||
    Offering my mind, I have attained it, and I joyfully sing His Glorious Praises. ||3||

    ਜੈਸਾ ਘਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਤੈਸਾ ॥
    Jaisā gẖar bāhar so ṯaisā.
    Just as He is within the home of the self, so is He beyond.

    ਬੈਸਿ ਗੁਫਾ ਮਹਿ ਆਖਉ ਕੈਸਾ ॥
    Bais gufā mėh ākẖa▫o kaisā.
    But how can I describe Him, sitting in a cave?

    ਸਾਗਰਿ ਡੂਗਰਿ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਐਸਾ ॥੪॥
    Sāgar dūgar nirbẖa▫o aisā. ||4||
    The Fearless Lord is in the oceans, just as He is in the mountains. ||4||

    ਮੂਏ ਕਉ ਕਹੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਉਨੁ ॥
    Mū▫e ka▫o kaho māre ka▫un.
    Tell me, who can kill someone who is already dead?

    ਨਿਡਰੇ ਕਉ ਕੈਸਾ ਡਰੁ ਕਵਨੁ ॥
    Nidre ka▫o kaisā dar kavan.
    What does he fear? Who can frighten the fearless one?

    ਸਬਦਿ ਪਛਾਨੈ ਤੀਨੇ ਭਉਨ ॥੫॥
    Sabaḏ pacẖẖānai ṯīne bẖa▫un. ||5||
    He recognizes the Word of the Shabad, throughout the three worlds. ||5||

    ਜਿਨਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਕਹਨੁ ਵਖਾਨਿਆ ॥
    Jin kahi▫ā ṯin kahan vakẖāni▫ā.
    One who speaks, merely describes speech.

    ਜਿਨਿ ਬੂਝਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਸਹਜਿ ਪਛਾਨਿਆ ॥
    Jin būjẖi▫ā ṯin sahj pacẖẖāni▫ā.
    But one who understands, intuitively realizes.

    ਦੇਖਿ ਬੀਚਾਰਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੬॥
    Ḏekẖ bīcẖār merā man māni▫ā. ||6||
    Seeing and reflecting upon it, my mind surrenders. ||6||

    ਕੀਰਤਿ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਇਕ ਨਾਈ ॥
    Kīraṯ sūraṯ mukaṯ ik nā▫ī.
    Praise, beauty and liberation are in the One Name.

    ਤਹੀ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
    Ŧahī niranjan rahi▫ā samā▫ī.
    In it, the Immaculate Lord is permeating and pervading.

    ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਬਿਆਪਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਨਿਜ ਠਾਈ ॥੭॥
    Nij gẖar bi▫āp rahi▫ā nij ṯẖā▫ī. ||7||
    He dwells in the home of the self, and in His own sublime place. ||7||

    ਉਸਤਤਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥
    Usṯaṯ karahi keṯe mun parīṯ.
    The many silent sages lovingly praise Him.


    ਤਨਿ ਮਨਿ ਸੂਚੈ ਸਾਚੁ ਸੁ ਚੀਤਿ ॥
    Ŧan man sūcẖai sācẖ so cẖīṯ.
    Their bodies and minds are purified, as they enshrine the True Lord in their consciousness.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜੁ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤਿ ॥੮॥੨॥
    Nānak har bẖaj nīṯā nīṯ. ||8||2||
    O Nanak, meditate on the Lord, each and every day. ||8||2||
     
    • Like Like x 4
  5. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    will have to visit the site, i've always had a habit of using sikhi to the max.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    When we look at a little bit of this shabad we get the impression that Guruji is saying: "Brothers and Sisters, You had better rid yourself of those treacherous things, the 5 thieves, and get that mind of yours under control, if you really want a taste of that ambrosial nectar." It reduces just to that. If that were the way to approach the shabad, all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji could be reduced to about 20 sentences.

    No one would be urged to learn Gurmukhi, study the shabad guru, nor for that matter would it mean anything to be a Sikh.

    There is much more to this shabad and much more to the beauty of ambrosial nectar than a renunciates' theme song.

    Let us do the shabad justice. Read the entire shabad. Understand the tuk in the context of the shabad.
     
    • Like Like x 7
  7. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Good question...
    The shabad seems to refer to the mind a lot, subduing it, reference to countless desires existing within the mind possibly preventing us from realising God..

    is the Amrit being referred to, a seperate entity to the measure of peace of mind...the thieves obviosuly exists within our minds...they drag us around by the hair (as described in another passage of Gurbani).
    Is the Amrit being reffered to, mutually exclusive to the mind...but one causes an effect on the other?

    Or is the Amrit literally 'piece of mind'?

    in another thread i reffered to our life force as 'Amrit'..
    We often see how the mental struggles of life often ends in stress, depression and the onset of disease...could this be as a result of this life force being robbed by a turbulent mind.

    Just some thoughts as i contemplate the shabad :)

    An interesting shabad indeed.
     
  8. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Very True...some interesting thoughts to contemplate on. Thank you Ji.

    also thank you ji for posting the full shabad...i'm going to find myself getting banned from the forum if i continue posting like that...my appologies.

    with reference to your comments on the mind and Gurbani/Sikhi being so much more than just that...
    I completely agree, but it seems to be such a big part of Gurbani...this barrier of the mind and its workings..
    There seems to be so much referrence in Gurbani of a state of being that exists beyond the effects of the 5 thieves...

    a whole world of learning and discovery of self, life, each other, God...but this obstacle (mind) often prevents that.
     
  9. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    chazSingh ji

    You have to work really hard at being banned. So rest on that point.

    More important to me is the continual concern over "subduing" the mind. Your mind is not a "barrier." Is the idea of subdue more like disciplining the mind? Many times we also read 'oh my beautiful mind.' From a simplistic reading the mind is a bother. From a richer reading the mind is the source of bibek. It can be a partner in our desire for vichaar; or it can be an enemy.

    It is actually very patronizing to describe this perspective as "an interesting thought." Particularly when you need your mind to have a thought.

    The entire discourse given by Guru Nanak to the sanyasin throughout shabadguru is that subduing the mind by wrestling with the 5 thieves may be a fruitless approach. Someone can spend a lifetime at it and get nowhere. Is there a better approach? An approach that results in coming to a disciplined mind without the brute force of subduing the thieves? What about coming to a place where the 5 thieves no longer dominate but are put in their place? I think so. I do not think the spiritual journey of a Sikh takes place on a battle ground. It is self-defeating to think of it as warfare.

    p/s Please do not click on "Appreciate" when is very clear that you are merely tolerating what I have to say.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  10. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    Chazji

    I think your a great bloke, but I do imagine you writing some of your apologetic posts through gritted teeth! Although I admire anyone who conducts themselves the way you do, I wonder what it achieves if your life is simply a slog to be as you wish to be, and then escape to meditation to give you the strength to live. Can you feel it? like a hamster on a wheel, no purpose, nothing other than living as a Sikh, and then escapism to bolster you up.

    From a giving point of view, it is magnificent, you truly are a slave to Creation, but from a growing poing of view, from a point of view of stopping the screaming of the thieves, I think something deeper is called for, maybe understanding, maybe wisdom, otherwise we are all just empty bodies going through a routine, never failing, never rising, just stuck on that hamster wheel.

    Although I have directed this at you, it is equally if not more relevant to me, I just felt a kindred spirit looking for the answers

    btw I knew that was not your photo, I magine you thinner and better looking!
     
    • Like Like x 3
  11. gur_meet

    gur_meet India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    162
    wjkk wjkf
    ਬਿਨੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਿਉ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    Bin māre ki▫o kīmaṯ pā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    Without subduing the mind, how can His value be estimated? ||1||Pause||
    ਘਰ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਸਕਰੁ ਲੇਈ ॥
    Gẖar mėh amriṯ ṯaskar le▫ī.
    In the house of the self is the Ambrosial Nectar, which is being stolen by the thieves.

    The word Amrit comes 365 times in SGGSji and refers to "Naam".
    The Words "Amrit Naam" comes 90 times in SGGSji.
    To know the meaning of this pungtee we have to first see the theme before Rahau (pause) line immediatly preceding where reference is towards "subduing the mind".

    The
    ਤਸਕਰੁ means five thieves - kaam , krodh, lobh, moh, ahankar.
    The meaning of the
    line is thus :

    "Attention of the mind should be towards "Naam" but the attention is being stolen ( in a way taken) by the five thieves."

    The straight translation of the line is bringing the confusion as "naam" which is Amrit cannot be stolen or lost.The five thieves keep the mind engrossed towards them and keep it from 'Naam' the amrit.
     
    • Like Like x 10
  12. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Admin ji,

    I really do appreciate the messages if I click on the appreciate button.

    I believe, I know...the mind is a priceless tool...we couldn't function without it in this creation...it is...or should be our friend...but often can be destructive...we all know this..and thus Gurbani discusses it, and as you say I'm using it when throwing my thoughts into Forum :)

    Therefore I don't think the whole of life should be spent subduing it, but i'm guessing because it's mentioned in Gurbani it's a topic we must spend some time and effort in our lives to understand.

    Personally I can tell the difference in daily life...my awareness, my participation in daily life, if like you describe, the mind is a 'partner' and how opposite my actions are when the destructive nature comes out.

    maybe its just about swaying the balance to the positive whilst trying not to get obsessed with subduing. doing our seva, sharing etc to change the trend.

    The analogy of the battleground is just that..an analogy. its a personal struggle I would guess, and something becomes easier or more difficult...it's definitely not an obsession...not for me anyway.

    What are your thoughts on the Ego? is it the mind that creates the Ego experience...the feeling of being separate from God so that the experience of the 'Many' can be had?

    Just some thoughts again ji :)
    and please do not think I am writing any email with ill feeling or that i'm just tolerating your views...I've grown in thought, action, deed from my participation on this Forum...and that's because of all the members...including you ji.

    God Bless
     
    #11 chazSingh, Aug 29, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2013
  13. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Always appreciate your posts Harry Ji, and definitely no gritted teeth :)

    if we ever met, i'm sure we'd be discussing such subjects with a smile, a joke, laughter ... but through just words on a forum, things can come across so serious... i'm sure we'd be good friends even in person.

    Being stuck on the hamster wheel...believe me...I would have given up a long time ago if I felt like that...through sikhi, I am genuinely exited like never before ji ... I can see the light ji (without sounding like a nutcase)!

    God Bless Harry Ji
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Thank you Gurmeet Ji,

    A very enlightening post. I read a while back in a book that the power of attention is so important. Our attention can get pulled in so many directions on the outside and this can prevent us from spending that little bit of time per day to put our attention 'within'.

    Appreciate your input on this post ji.

    God Bless
     
  15. findingmyway

    findingmyway
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,667
    Likes Received:
    3,767
    Guru ji had a great way of taking established concepts and turning them around to mean something else. At the time, amrit was a physical liquid taken from certain sources. Guru ji redefines amrit for the mind and soul, therefore it cannot be physical. Bearing this in mind, the whole shabad is about the mind. The mind is like an elephant (discussed further on several threads previously) and only understanding can break that spell. The shabad talks about how you have to learn to appreciate your mind. Running away like a recluse in useless because it doesn't promote understanding but encourages suppression of the mind. This isn't really helpful as doesn't deal with the source of the elephant like reaction of the mind to the world. Once we realise Ik Oankaar is present everywhere and there is nothing to fear, once we realise what death really is and once we understand our mind, then only can we can we live with a still mind. This can never be achieved by running away or mechanical actions.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  16. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    14,188
    SGGS is always repeating that the SAADH..the ALMIGHTY..the SATGUR..is WITHIN us...
    The MIND..the MANN is the culprit that is flirting endlessly..roaming the universes and galaxies, day and night...manmatt..all this talk of ENEMIES..WAR..BATTLES..SUBDUEING..overpowering KILLING..etc etc is NOT whats taught in SGGS...these are ALIEN concepts brought in from OUTSIDE.."thieves" who "steal"...are metaphors for whatever that ENCOURAGES the MANN/MIND to take its attention away from GURMATT and into MANMATT. Each precious SECOND wasted in MANMATT..following ones own mind/mann is GONE/STOLEN/LOST..because we have LIMITED seconds..to pay attention to the SAADH within..practise the SAADHS qualities to change our mind/mann to GURMATT..Satgur's ways.
    All this talk of enemies... battles is like the Windmills that Sir George fought..a complete waste of precious time...no need to do that at all.All we need to do is CONCENTRATE the Mind towards GURMATT..practise SATful LIVING..enjoy the AMRIT emanating form the SAADH WITHIN this HARMANDAR...but since this is much easier said than done..thats why the 5 Liner MOOL MANTAR has been expanded to 1429 AAngs !!

    Stop looking OUTSIDE..stop looking for imaginary "enemies"..."thieves"..doing battles and fighting wars..stop struggling...bring your INNER MIND to a STOP...concentrate on HIM..drink His AMRIT..show the change OUTWARDLY that its GURMATT in CONTROL..and we will be much CLOSER to the SIKHS of 16th Century - those who were roasted alive, cut from limb to limb, cut joint by joint..but when their mouths opened it wasnt screams of pain but JOYOUS japji Sahib......and much FARTHER from the SIKHS of today who draw swords in Gurdwars and cut others for control of golucks and stomp on dastaars in front of SGGS...then the differences between Manmatt-Gurmatt, Amrit-Poison, SAADH/BRAHMGYANI/SANT (within) - fake saadh in round truban and big chola.. etc will be much clearer. SGGS VOCABULARY is 360Degrees OPPOSITE (different) from what the world understands it as....SGGS ...Just one tiny example..."YOGA" is not what the world understands it to be (sitting crosslegged in various asan, feet in the air and head on the ground sort of poses etc etc.) YOGA as per SGGS is for the MANN/MIND because SGGS is for the MANN/MIND...not the physical body. Similarly all other words used in SGGS have a special meaning...it takes practise to learn the real meanings..
     
    • Like Like x 8
  17. chazSingh

    chazSingh Ireland
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    1,556
    Thank you Giani Ji,

    Such a great post, and written very cleary :)

    Athletes often talk about the 'zone'...getting into the zone just prior to sprinting for 100 metres, focusing on one thing and one thing only...the noise of the crowd dissapears...no fears, no doubts, no anxieties....no thought of past success or failures...their mind has become a companion and a friend in that moment.

    The ones who fail to get into 'the zone' struggle mentally before the race has even begun.

    I believe 100% that when this focus is obtained (through whatever means, mediation, Simran, seva) that within we can come to know of this Amrit.

    Thank you ji as always for your input :)
     
  18. Luckysingh

    Luckysingh Canada
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,634
    Likes Received:
    2,749
    great stuff above ji........

    The house is within all.
    This is the nijh ghar/nijh mahal that one can enter where waheguru himself resides and where the amrit and anhad bani both flow.
    The elephant mind as mentioned in the beginning of the shabad, is such, because of it's continuous and enormous flow of thoughts.
    These thoughts are all maya and the 5 thieves keep throwing them.

    If we subdue these elephant thoughts that fill the mind, down to just ONE thought itself, which is the shabad, then we can begin free ourselves from the shackles of the 5 thieves.
    The idea is to eventually have no thoughts and enter the abode of waheguru.
     
  19. Ishna

    Ishna
    Expand Collapse
    On hiatus
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    2,942
    Likes Received:
    5,002
    Does that mean we can only be in the abode of Waheguru when we have no thoughts in our mind, and when we do have thoughts in our mind we are not in the abode of Waheguru?
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. Luckysingh

    Luckysingh Canada
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,634
    Likes Received:
    2,749
    Yep,that's what I think it means as far as I understand.
    However, my current understanding maybe much different tomorrow...

    Do you think that your state of mind is in the home of sachkhand whilst you have uncontrollable thoughts occupying your mind ?

    What's the ONE thought you want to try and get down to and have your full dhian on ??
     
  21. Ishna

    Ishna
    Expand Collapse
    On hiatus
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    2,942
    Likes Received:
    5,002
    Thank you Lucky Ji.

    I feel that our constant awareness should include Waheguru amid the other thoughts and everyday going's on, as described below by Bhagat Nam Dayv on panna 972. Stuff added by edit: Certianly, meditation can help us train our minds, and plenty of research has been done in that field. Meditation is a means to an end, the end being the constant awareness, the complete simran, the stable state of mind where truthful actions come from, always. We need to train and control our crazy minds, no doubt about it and meditative techniques can help us with it. Essentially, though, they are practices which build us up for where it counts; daily life.

     
    • Like Like x 2

Share This Page