Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 5 Sabad 1 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੫ ਸਬਦ ੧

japjisahib04 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-May-2012, 20:51 PM

ਜਿਸੁ ਜਨ ਅਪਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਮਨਾਇਆ ॥
One who abides by the Lord's Will,

ਸਰਬ ਥੋਕ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
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O Nanak, obtains all things. ||1|

You have rightly said above is linked with 'keev sachiara hoeyia keev kudeh tuteh pal'. Even otherwise I have noticed Prof Sahib Singh translation on 'dainda dai lainda thakh paey' is linked with worldly materials when guru sahib have stated 'bhukhiya bhukh n utree' one cannot get satiated with tons and tons of load then how could he get tired of receiving. Over here 'thakk' is stablized after receiving divine wisdom and not tired of receiving worldly items. As Gurbani tells us, 'jai ko khavaih jai ko bhunjai tis ka hoey uddaaro - the one who listen, understand and reflect upon the divine virtues get stablized or cross over the bhavjal.
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Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait

Ambarsaria · #11 (**permalink**) 03-May-2012, 23:01 PM

Scarlet Pimpernel veer ji thanks for your post. Beyond words is an experience and living quite unique to each of us.

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

TrueTruth is deeper than even true translation ,my Dad once said that if the Truth kicked me in the ball-s and punched me in the face I would still not recognise it,such is the state of Sikhs today we search different translations,but philosophy is thinking differently and not translating differently.
As Tulsidas said thinking Me and Mine and You and Yours is the source of Illusion or Maya,everyones translation is altered by their perception.

The devil is in the detail,leave it aside, if you want to analyse deeply then start with your Self.

When I watch the following I get something what you get or not get would be unique to you too,

Guddi - Dana Paani Khich Ke Liyanda - Mohd.Rafi - YouTube

I see myself standing at the Ucha Pulh (high bridge) pedestrian overpass near Amritsar Railway Junction and see the Round Faced Engine pull away the Flying Mail train out of Amritsar at 12:45 towards Delhi. Many other visualizations of Beggars, a worker getting de-capitated oiling the junctions as he did not see the train coming, etc.

So life is learning, experiencing and living with all that.

If we can make it a bit better or worthwhile with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Guru ji's assistance, that is just icing on the gift of life that we have when born.

Sat Sri Akal.

mandemeet · #12 (**permalink**) 04-May-2012, 08:24 AM

Japjisahibo4 Ji
I am fully aware what are you talking about; let me share some quotes that prove what you are saying is very true; however, we will see if that concept indeed exists in the Ashtpadi. Ambarsaria ji has tried to interpret and we are talking about; first what you are talking about:

on 374
ਏਕ ਵਸਤੁ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਤਾ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਪਾਕ॥
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Ėk vasaṯ būjẖėh ṯā hovėh pāk.
If you could understand even one thing, then you would be pure.
ਬਿਨੁ ਬੂਝੇ ਤੂੰ ਸਦਾ ਨਾਪਾਕ॥੪॥
Bin būjẖe ṯūŉ saḏā nāpāk. ||4||
Without understanding, you shall be forever impure. ||4||
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੁ॥
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Kaho Nānak gur ka▫o kurbān.
Says Nanak, I am a sacrifice to the Guru;
ਜਿਸ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਹਰਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸੁਜਾਨੁ॥੫॥੧੪॥
Jis ṯe pā▫ī▫ai har purakẖ sujān. ||5||14||
through Him, I obtain the Lord, the All-knowing Primal Being. ||5||14||

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ਏਕ ਵਸਤੁ ਜੇ ਪਾਵੈ ਕੋਇ॥
Ėk vasaṯ je pāvai ko▫e.
If someone is blessed with the singular substance,
ਪੂਰਨ ਕਾਜੁ ਤਾਹੀ ਕਾ ਹੋਇ॥
Pūran kāj ṯāhī kā ho▫e.
then all of his tasks are accomplished to perfection.
ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਨਾਮੁ॥
Gur parsāḏ jin pā▫i▫ā nām.
One who obtains the Naam, by Guru's Grace-
ਨਾਨਕ ਆਇਆ ਸੋ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ॥੪॥੨੦॥੩੩॥
Nānak ā▫i▫ā so parvān. ||4||20||33||
O Nanak, his coming into the world is certified and approved. ||4||20||33||

Above both quotes verify that what you are referring to is very true.

Now if we look at the entire the Ashtpadee, the Guru is not talking about Naamu – Vasat in it at all, but about following the Ordinance of All Pervading Akalpurakh; if you look at the end of this shabda number one, you see:

ਜਿਸੁ ਜਨ ਅਪਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਮਨਾਇਆ॥
Jis jan apnā hukam manā▫i▫ā.
One who abides by the Lord's Will, (English interpretation is incorrect, it should be: one, whom Akalpurakh has causes to obey His Hukam /Ordinance/Wil;, Manaya indicates Akalpurakh’s grace; when Akalpurakh bestows His grace, we truly submit to His Will and obtain peace in His Will)
ਜਿਸੁਜਨ = ਜਿਸਮਨੁੱਖਨੂੰ।
ਜਿਸਮਨੁੱਖਤੋਂਪ੍ਰਭੂਆਪਣਾਹੁਕਮਮਨਾਉਂਦਾਹੈ,

ਸਰਬ ਥੋਕ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ॥੧॥
Sarab thok Nānak ṯin pā▫i▫ā. ||1||
O Nanak, obtains all things. ||1||
ਥੋਕ = ਪਦਾਰਥ।ਤਿਨਿ = ਉਸ (ਮਨੁੱਖ) ਨੇ॥੧॥
ਹੇਨਾਨਕ! (ਦੁਨੀਆਦੇ) ਸਾਰੇਪਦਾਰਥ (ਮਾਨੋ) ਉਸਨੇਲੱਭਲਏਹਨ॥੧॥

It is all about understanding His Ordinance; the seeker is advised to remain contented with His Will,; if he gets one Vasat (here, a thing, gift) as per His will, it is ok; if he doesn’t get anything, still it is ok. Naamu Vasat is not even referred in this shabda.
These are my humble views about this.

With regards
mandemeet

BhagatSingh · #13 (**permalink**) 04-May-2012, 09:49 AM

If Vastu here is translated as spiritual wisdom, Naam, etc the essence of the shabad remains the same.

On one hand, the individual is attached to material possessions, that when these material possessions are taken away from him, he gets angry and loses faith in God. This is the situation of most people.
On the other hand, the individual is attached to spiritual wisdom, that when the spiritual wisdom is taken away from him, he gets angry and loses faith in God. This is the situation of most people who get into spirituality and start studying spiritual texts.
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The idea is the same, there is an attachment to what God gave but no real attachment to God. Pleasure is being derived from being rich or being enlightened but Guru Sahib says real pleasure (and real spirituality and real material) comes from being attached only to God and abiding by his will.
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PS Vastu is anything of this world. It could also be a talent e.g. beautiful voice and singing.

prakash.s.bagga · #14 (**permalink**) 04-May-2012, 12:30 PM

It seems probably in Gurbanee the word "VASATu" is for Naamu wherever used and the word "BASATu" for wordly materials.
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Although both words are synonym in their meanings.
There is one more meaning connected to the word BASAT as Dwellin whereas the word VASATu is exclusive reference for specific thing in context of its application.
Prakash.s.Baggal

Ambarsaria · #15 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 03:20 AM

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for your post. Something I noticed,

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The three letter combination ਬਸਤ / basaṯ dramatically has different meanings with matra/accents as in the following examples so let us not generalize or create non-referenced and applied variations.

ਪੰਨਾ 182, ਸਤਰ 3
ਬਿਆਪਤ ਹਸਤਿ ਘੋੜੇ ਅਰੁਬਸਤਾ ॥
बिआपत हसति घोड़े अरु बसता ॥
Bi▫āpaṯ hasaṯ gẖoṛe ar basṯā.
It torments us through elephants, horses and beautiful clothes.
ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਪੰਨਾ 205, ਸਤਰ 2
ਏਕਬਸਤੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਪੰਚ ਦੁਹੇਲੇ ਓਹ ਬਸਤੁ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਠਾਈ ॥੨॥
एक बसतु बिनु पंच दुहेले ओह बसतु अगोचर ठाई ॥२॥
Ėk basaṯ bin pancẖ ḏuhele oh basaṯ agocẖar ṯẖā▫ī. ||2||
Without the one substance, the five are miserable; that substance is in the unapproachable place. ||2||
ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਪੰਨਾ 206, ਸਤਰ 5
ਨਿਰਭਉ ਸੰਗਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੈਬਸਤੇ ਇਹੁ ਡਰਨੁ ਕਹਾ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
निरभउ संगि तुमारै बसते इहु डरनु कहा ते आइआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Nirbẖa▫o sang ṯumārai basṯe ih daran kahā ṯe ā▫i▫ā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The Fearless Lord abides with you. So where does this fear come from? ||1||Pause||
ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਪੰਨਾ 261, ਸਤਰ 11
ਏਕ ਅਖਰੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿਬਸਤਨਾਨਕ ਹੋਤ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੧॥
एक अखरु हरि मनि बसत नानक होत निहाल ॥१॥
Ėk akẖar har man basaṯ Nānak hoṯ nihāl. ||1||
One whose mind is filled with the One Word of the Lord, O Nanak, becomes totally blissful. ||1||
ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਪੰਨਾ 481, ਸਤਰ 1
ਇਹਬਸਤੀ ਤਾ ਬਸਤ ਸਰੀਰਾ ॥
इह बसती ता बसत सरीरा ॥
Ih basṯī ṯā basaṯ sarīrā.
If she abides with the mortal, then his soul abides in his body.
ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Sat Sri Akal.

japjisahib04 · #16 (**permalink**) 09-May-2012, 14:57 PM

S. Ambarsaria Ji
In above sabd the central idea is 'Maya' whereas the salok or the central idea of ashtapadi is 'dainhar prabh chodh kai' it is being referred to Gurprasad -who is raining divine virtues continuously, whether we deserve it or not and gurprasad is by exploring, 'matt vich rattan jvahar manak jai ek gur ki sikh suni' and not material items.
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Ashtpadi is cautioning us that did we take birth for the sake of feeding or satiating the ten organs which cannot be satiated even otherwise. Is this our mission? Further 'das' or ten is just a metaphor otherwise our body has infinite opening through infinite pores of the body.
And when it says, 'ek bast' sabd is not referring to eleventh item and warning us why are we unstablized because we didn't listen to 'ek gur ki sikh suni'. Gurbani is all about spirturlism.

Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait