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Ambarsaria · #28 (**permalink**) 17-Jan-2012, 00:25 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Bhagat Singhji,

I am talking about thoughts and intenal discussion, you are talking about changing the state of your mind to achieve a different level of conciousness, they are two very different states brother.

Harry Haller veer ji some comments. Your above post so befits your Avatar.

It appears like a difference between a night (meditation) and day (living). Getting into a cocoon (meditation) versus world is your oyster (living). It is like putting the mind on a rinse cycle (meditation) versus nourishing a relevant mind (living). It is like theory (meditation) versus practice (living). It is like Hinduism (meditation) versus Sikhism (living). It is LaLa land (meditation) versus real (living). It is funky (meditation) versus normal (living).

Guru ji focused on living a practical life in understanding of the creator and creation.

Sat Sri Akal.

harry haller · #29 (**permalink**) 17-Jan-2012, 04:50 AM

Ambarsariaji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sukhmani-sahib/37672-sukhmani-sahib-astpadi-1-sabad-1-a.html

whilst it is true,the state of mind whilst meditating, reminds me of my days spent in a haze of drugs, which is possibly one reason I cannot get on with it, if others find it an arena within they can achieve something positive then it is not for us to judge another or challenge interpretations that have been around for centuries.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37672

I personally prefer the arena of a focused and alert mind, but each to his own

Ambarsaria · #30 (**permalink**) 17-Jan-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Ambarsariaji,

whilst it is true,the state of mind whilst meditating, reminds me of my days spent in a haze of drugs, which is possibly one reason I cannot get on with it, if others find it an arena within they can achieve something positive then it is not for us to judge another or challenge interpretations that have been around for centuries.

I personally prefer the arena of a focused and alert mind, but each to his own

Veer Harry Haller ji I am also OK with each to their own.

The only issue that I generally contest is the notion that it is part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teachings where as Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is teaching always aware state as the way to be in consonance.

Cheers,

Sat Sri Akal.

BhagatSingh · #31 (**permalink**) 06-Feb-2012, 12:28 PM

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what "meditative way" are you talking about besides this - "reminder to me that everything I have, everything I see, everything I feel, has Creator in it"?

It is like so: A blacksmith is asked whether he uses a hammer to shape his metal, and he replies "No, I don't use a hammer. I use this blunt tool that is composed of a lump of metal joined to the end of a wooden handle. Definitely not a hammer though." Lol

Bhagat Singhji,

I am talking about thoughts and intenal discussion, you are talking about changing the state of your mind to achieve a different level of conciousness, they are two very different states brother.

No I am talking about that in whichthere is a thought and discussion or an experience of altered consciousness, the One who has the thought or altered state. Knowing that one and being it is a direct "reminder to me that everything I have, everything I see, everything I feel, has Creator in it".

ravneet_sb · #32 (**permalink**) 06-Feb-2012, 13:57 PM

Sat Sri Akaal,

If reading appears as abject on mind, and object what appears as imagination appears as reality, is TRUTH.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37672

Reading is false, listening is false, and imaginary, if objective not appears to mind and one cannot sense in real.

"GURU's BANI" is realised "Truth".
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37672

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

harry haller · #33 (**permalink**) 06-Feb-2012, 14:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

No I am talking about that in whichthere is a thought and discussion or an experience of altered consciousness, the One who has the thought or altered state. Knowing that one and being it is a direct "reminder to me that everything I have, everything I see, everything I feel, has Creator in it".

just how many people have doctors permission for medicinal cannabis these days

Ambarsaria · #34 (**permalink**) 06-Feb-2012, 20:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

No I am talking about that in whichthere is a thought and discussion or an experience of altered consciousness, the One who has the thought or altered state. Knowing that one and being it is a direct "reminder to me that everything I have, everything I see, everything I feel, has Creator in it".

Veer Bhagat Singh ji perhaps better statement instead of "has Creator in it" is "is of the one creator and one creation".

What you think?

Sat Sri Akal.

BhagatSingh · #35 (**permalink**) 07-Feb-2012, 07:36 AM

Harry Ji,
Me thinks you are the only one here. :P

They mean the same thing Ambarsaria ji. If you believe "Sab gobind hai sab gobind hai gobind bin nahi koi" everything is creator, has creator and is of creator.