10-Oct-2009, 05:46 AM
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The statement I made is true and I know it is true and there is no way I can prove it or explain it to you. Quote:
Yes, it was the Hukam of Vaheguru that the rioters riot, it was the Hukam of Vaheguru that we fought, died, achieve shaheedi. Everything that occurs is the Hukam of Vaheguru.
And yet, each of us is responsible for his/her own actions.
| Perhaps one of our more learned members can explain. I have gone as far as my poor, ignorant brain will go.
PFUI!! 
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12-Oct-2009, 15:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mai Harinder Kaur  The statement I made is true and I know it is true and there is no way I can prove it or explain it to you.
Perhaps one of our more learned members can explain. I have gone as far as my poor, ignorant brain will go.
PFUI!! |
Mai Ji, Baghat Ji,
Perhaps it helps to think of it this way.
God asks us to give over our will onto Gods will. God has given us free will, yet asks us to relenquish this, freely by our own choice.
Those who do, and those who God decides to take, then God works through them. Otherwise what we do in this world we do so freely in accordance with our will. | | The following members appreciate Lee Ji for the above message. | |
12-Oct-2009, 18:31 PM
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Lee ji
Your explanation works for me. It helps get over the view that 'hukam' makes us moral robots. Why would Waheguru need or want a pack of robots? |
25-Oct-2009, 22:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Mai Ji, Baghat Ji,
Perhaps it helps to think of it this way.
God asks us to give over our will onto Gods will. God has given us free will, yet asks us to relenquish this, freely by our own choice.
Those who do, and those who God decides to take, then God works through them. Otherwise what we do in this world we do so freely in accordance with our will. | If you are given free will, you don't have free will.. |
25-Oct-2009, 23:14 PM
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why do ordinary people do bad or good or anyother thing?
the answer is simple as a highly respectable man has said
All human actions have one or more of these seven causes :- chance,nature,compulsion,habit,reason,passion,desi re. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/26731-why-do-ordinary-people-do-bad.html
--by Aristotle | | The following member appreciates Sikh royalist Ji for the above message. | |
25-Oct-2009, 23:44 PM
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Aristotle with all his sometimes quaint theories of nature could make some things profoundly simple and clear. Thanks sikhroyalist ji |
25-Oct-2009, 23:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sikh royalist why do ordinary people do bad or good or anyother thing?
the answer is simple as a highly respectable man has said
All human actions have one or more of these seven causes :- chance,nature,compulsion,habit,reason,passion,desi re.
--by Aristotle | Have you seen the video? If oyu haven't then watch it.
Aristotle was obviously not familiar with "the system". |
25-Oct-2009, 23:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Have you seen the video? If oyu haven't then watch it.
Aristotle was obviously not familiar with "the system". | no i haven't i prefer reading
bhagat every new generation thinks that it is more rational and with new innovative ideas than the older one but we and you are no one to decide what he knew and what he didn't.
and if you are believing the man in this video why not Aristotle? | | The following member appreciates Sikh royalist Ji for the above message. | |
27-Oct-2009, 08:42 AM
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Ok then watch the video and read up on the studies he talks about. Then read up on any followup studies. 
You question sounds ridiculous to me. I am accepting the facts Jimbardo is showing me. Aristotle has presented no such facts. Anyways, I prefer to keep myself up with the knowledge of mankind. Aristotle said some things that still hold ground to this day and other things which are utterly false. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26731Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26731
We should also be questioning old knowledge anyways. The kind of "new generation" you are talking about is different than a "new generation" in science. | 
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