Don't Turn Down God

Don’t turn down God when He comes to you.

You may say who turns down God?
We do all the time.
Here are some examples.
1. Every time you get some idea or a hunch & you ignore it you have turned down God.
2. Every time you get an offer to end a conflict & you ignore it, you have turned down God.
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3. When you do not return the smile of a stranger you have turned down God.
4. When you walk under the night sky & you don’t look up at the awesome display of stars you have tuned down God.
5. when you pass from a flower & you do not stop to behold its beauty you have turned down God.
6. Every time your hear inner voice & you pay no attention you have turned down God.
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7. When you feel love for another in your soul & you do nothing you have turned down God.
8. Every time you feel a song in your heart & you do not sing you have turned down God.
9. Every time you see a grand vision in your mind & you do nothing you have turned down God( this is for my good friend Antonia ji who encouraged me to write on this .)
10. Every time you find yourself reading a good book & think it just happened you have turned down God. There are no coincidences in life. Every thing is given to what you desire.
11. every time you watch a good movie &don’t think God inspired you to see this you have turned down God.
12. Every time you hear a nice sermon & think it just happened you have tuned down God.
13. every time you meet just the right friend & think it as a coincidence you have turned down God.

I have given you these instances & there many many more. So, don’t turn down God when He comes to you . what you should do is THANK HIM & SAY ‘ vwihgurU qyrw Sukr hY] jo kuJ imilAw hY qyrI ikrpw nwl imilAw hY[ mYN qyrw Sukr guzwr hW [ lK vwrI qyry crnW qy krdw nmSkwr hW[
kI qusIN Akwl purK dy nyVy nhIM ho jwvogy?
vwihgurU hzwrW qrIikAW nwl quhwfy swhmxy Awix KloNdw hY qusIN pCwxdy nhIN[ Eh qw hwzrw hzUr hY , zwihrw zhUr hY[ vwihgurU qW quhwfy hQ nwloN vI nyVy hY[khu rivdwr hwQ py nyVy sihjy hoey so hoeI’ ijQy quhwnUM AMdr dI drd hovy hQ hI auQy hQ lw ky dsdw hY[ zbwn nhIN ds skdI ieh suMdr hQ hI dsdy hn ik drd gofy ivc hY jW moFy ivc hY[ ikfI vfI dwq hY jo vwihgurU ny swnUM idqI hY? Swfw Prz bxdw hY ik AsIN pl pl ausdw Sukrwnw krIey qy AwKIey ‘ vwihgurU qyrw Sukr hY, vwihgurU qyrw Sukr hY, vwihgurU qyrw Sukr hY[ bs vwihgurU dw Sukr krnw hI sB qoN vfI BgqI hY[
ijaN ijaN qusIN aus dw Sukr krogy vwihgurU dy nyVy hMudy jwEgy[

vwihgurU ikrpw kry swnUM swirAW nUM Awpxy nwl joV lvy!
Mhahanbir Singh

 
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Mahanbir ji
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What are the ways in which God comes to us -- so we don't ignore Him when he is there. Gurbani says He is too near to be far....So how....?

Antonia ji
it depends on what your personal experience is.
it depends how close you have felt.
Those who feel & experience His closeness He is not far.
Those who have not felt closeness will always say He is far.
when you are conscious & aware that God is every where in every heart then God is nerere to you than your hand.
it is not just that you have to think & agree because Guruji has told you so. you have to personally experience how Close you are to God.
you will get closer & closer iif you thank God. you trust God. you love God.
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As i expained in above point when your mind starts accepting yes what ever is happening is because of God's help & blessing, you will start feeling grateful to Him. when you feel grateful you will naturally thank Him from the core of your heart. you will love thanking Him. This is first step to develop real friendshio with God. you will love this feeling.
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Regards

Mahanbir Singh.

Mahanbir ji,

Guru fateh.

Interesting post.

Please correct me if I am wrong. So, in other words, everytime we miss the opportunity to breed goodness within which empowers us as Sikhs so we can practice the life of Miri- Piri in our everyday life, we have turned down God. We keep on missing the boat so to speak while sitting on the dock watching the seagulls.

Now, as humans we know this is not a rare thing to occur. It happens several times a day in our lives. Especially in the life of a Sikh- a seeker, a learner, a student,( my dog ate my homework).

Thanks to our Gurus, we have been given the anchor called the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, so that we do not miss the boat ever again.

Once we starts learning how to use the tools given to us in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, then only we will be able to grasp the true meaning of acceptance and by doing that we will never turn down God ever again which is in ALL, no exception.

My 2 cent worth

Tejwant Singh

Respected Mahabir Singh Ji
I haven’t reached the state of mind as you are in, why I say” I do this because Guru has advised me to do(often I say, all credit is to Guru) this? “ Let me please explain, I have heard and read numerous people verbally or in words they penned down, only peace of whatever level I have, came from listening to Guru. Now, I don’t listen to others if they don’t align with Guru. If they say the same thing I listen, the following Guru Vaak convinced me once for all about satisfaction and contentment in His love, to keep this love intact, a battle began within years ago, the conflicts He puts me in, bring me failures. Good news is that He has blessed me not to give up and to pass by those conflicts. For an example if some people become unbearable due to their negativity, I want to go away, not because I hate them but to keep my peace I get through very hard way.
How I was convinced, Here is Guru ji in Japji
ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
Jin sevi▫ā ṯin pā▫i▫ā mān.
They who serve Him, obtain honour.

ਨਾਨਕ ਗਾਵੀਐ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥
Nānak gāvī▫ai guṇī niḏẖān.
O Nanak! sing praises of the Lord who is the treasure of excellences.

ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥
Gāvī▫ai suṇī▫ai man rakẖī▫ai bẖā▫o.
With the Lord's love reposed in thy heart sing and hear His praises.

ਦੁਖੁ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥
Ḏukẖ parhar sukẖ gẖar lai jā▫e.
Thus shalt thou shed pain and shalt take happiness to thy home.(Tr. By S. Manmohan Singh Ji)

The feeling of His closeness doesn’t guarantee to still the mind, so struggle continues. Gurbani stresses on to keep molding the mind till it becomes able to love Him in sincerity and to take His Hukam a part of Him. My concept of this world is changed by Gurbani, in a fact, people whatever they do, are just doing as per His will, I try not to hate people if they say very bad things, only I don’t want to be in their company, that’s all., my fear is that, again I can be subjected to similar situations. This is also a negative attitude towards His Hukam but I feel He inspires me to stay away from such company. In such decisions I may not be liked by many but internal peace I get to remain away from such company is worth to take such action.

Now, as per your post, you have covered only positive aspect of His inspiration, there are other situations. If we see a snake, at once it comes into mind “kill it”. We very well know now that the snake bites due to its protective-instinct, like a biologist, shouldn’t we ignore that and let it go if it’s not a threat. By doing so, would it be turning down God? I mean many times negative feelings do come from within. Gurubani goes one step further, it inspires to thank Him even if some witness pains and sorrows by calling it “ Eh vee dat teri dataar”(Japji). There is a big reason behind it, in His love; one doesn’t question Him as being aware of His being beyond error. How we can say in pain “Waheguru tera shukr hai?” Only if we are in love with Him and understand His Hukam is beyond error regardless how it appears to us. That need a lot of work within and Gurbani repeatedly says so by giving examples from farming, process of making Yogurt etc.

I am truly amazed at your attitude towards all things and Him but I find it a little off the line when Gurbani is read and understood. For you, no inner battle is needed, Gurbani says that it is necessary, to go for stilling mind, you give points to reach there but Gurbani asks Sikhs to be a warrior to win within negative primal forces and keep singing His praise and trying to still the mind in His love and leave it to His grace to have bliss.To love HIM, the purity of mind is also necessary This kind of difference in your approach and Gurbani amazes me. After having said all, I still applaud your inspirational views and thank you for this.

With Regards

G Singh

My dear G. Singh ji,
Many thanks for your comments. i sincerely appreciate & admire what you have written. How have you concluded that i do not love Gurbani & Gurus?
Do you think God turned stone silence after talking to our Gurus and after compilation of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji?
He still talks to us directly.
He has inspired many authers to write books that convey His messages. These authers are living today & those spirtual books are read by millions. i confess the Truth i did not find in Sahib Siri Guru Granth Sahib & i wept & cried in front of Guru Granth Sahi
b ji . i directly asked from Siri Guru Granth Sahib ji in these words ' You tell me the Truth, You Tell me the Truth'
later some body specially photocopied the whole book & sent to me from India.
the name of the book is CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD. BOOK 1,2,3 BY NEALE DONALD WALSCH. pl read them yourself. when every progress in science & technology is changing you think our old ideas about spirtuality cant change? i tell you this : TRUTH IS NOT FOUND IN BOOKS BUT IN YOUR HEART. the purpose of all massengers who come is to guide us that what ever you read you weigh with your heart & judge with your feelings.
Now tell me does your feelings agree with this statement NADAR UPATHE JE KARE SULTANA GHA KARAINDA. HOW CAN A GOD WHOM WE CALL NIRVER & MEHARVAAN , GET SO ANGRY THAT EVEN IF YOU BEG HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU DONT GET ANY HELP OR CHARITY FROM ANY WHERE AS GURBANI SAYS' DAR MANGAN BHIKH NA PAINDA. IS THIS YOUR UNDERSTANDINGT OF A LOVEABLE GOD? IS THE ABOVE EXAMPLE OF AN ANGRY GOD A GOOD EXAMPLE OF GOD WHOSE LOVE IS UNCONDITIONA.L?
WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD FULLY & COMPLETELY. WH THINK WE DO.

if you have found all answers in Guru Granth Sahib ji i am so happy with you. i regard the reverence & love youh have. Dont consider that i do not love my Gurus. when a son does not agree with his father it does not mean that son does not love his father or leaves the home . i am not going to leave the home of sikhism. i have recieved a lot & i cherish that.
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let me tell you this i respect all my gurus & all those who have contributed in Sri Grant Sahib but no body is bigger than Akal purakh. Akal purakh is my true Guru. who guides me through my inner voice,
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if you are interested in How to get stillness & achieve oneness with Akal purakh i can share with you if you so desire.

you have said what Guru Nanak sahib has said about stilling the mind is the only way & unless you start the bettle fron within you can not achieve stillness, if you already have closed your mind i can not help you. There are easier ways in controlling & stilling your mind than what you are saying quoting Guru Nanak Dev ji. Agin please understand whatever views i have expressed so far or will express in furure will be those of Akal purakh & not mine. i am not body. God gives his guidence direcly to all of us, i am not special or better than any body. it is His grace . JESI MAT DE TESA PARGAS, PARBRAHAM KARTA ABINAS
WITH LOVE.

MAHANBIR SINGH


































g

How have you concluded that i do not love Gurbani & Gurus?(Quote Mahabir Singh Ji)

Wow ! Respected Mahabir Singh ji, I feel, either I have failed in expressing my mind or you have difficulty to fetch the idea. Let me clear it again. First of all, let me say that I do not hold such views in my mind that you don’t love or care about Gurus but I feel you are not aligned fully with Gurbani As you know. Many of your posts are having Guru Vakas though I couldn’t read due to fonts but I was sure those were Guru Vakas, that shows that you do love Gurbani. What I said in my post was that” as per Gurbani, one needs to clean the heart first, needs to prepare the heart for it, Guru Nanak stresses on this” contrary to that, you are just saying that you can reach that state of mind where you merge with God without any other efforts” That was the whole point, but sad to say it was missed.
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You see the difference in Gurus views and your views about merging with Him ? That is only what I pointed out, nothing more; forgive me if this caused the all misunderstanding.

“Now tell me does your feelings agree with this statement NADAR UPATHE JE KARE SULTANA GHA KARAINDA . HOW CAN A GOD WHOM WE CALL NIRVER & MEHARVAAN , GET SO ANGRY THAT EVEN IF YOU BEG HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU DONT GET ANY HELP OR CHARITY FROM ANY WHERE AS GURBANI SAYS' (quote Mahabir Singh Ji

Yes Mahabir Singh Ji, I agree with Guru Nanak hundred percent because Guru is expressing God’s power not animosity. Now lets look at that complete Guru Vaak it is 472 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਚਿਤੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਵੇਖਿ ਨਦਰੀ ਹੇਠਿ ਚਲਾਇਦਾ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਦੇ ਵਡਿਆਈਆ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਾਇਦਾ ॥ ਵਡਹੁ ਵਡਾ ਵਡ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਸਿਰੇ ਸਿਰਿ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇਦਾ ॥ ਨਦਰਿ ਉਪਠੀ ਜੇ ਕਰੇ ਸੁਲਤਾਨਾ ਘਾਹੁ ਕਰਾਇਦਾ ॥ ਦਰਿ ਮੰਗਨਿ ਭਿਖ ਨ ਪਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੬॥
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Pa▫oṛī. Cẖiṯai anḏar sabẖ ko vekẖ naḏrī heṯẖ cẖalā▫iḏā. Āpe ḏe vaḏi▫ā▫ī▫ā āpe hī karam karā▫iḏā. vadahu vadā vad meḏnī sire sir ḏẖanḏẖai lā▫iḏā. Naḏar upṯẖī je kare sulṯānā gẖāhu karā▫iḏā. Ḏar mangan bẖikẖ na pā▫iḏā. ||16||
In Essence: All are in His mind; he watches and moves them under His glance. He Himself grants glory and causes others to act. God is great and great is His creation (Earth=world) and he puts everyone in to work. If it displeases Him, He can make the King (Powerful) to eat grace ( or meager diet) .Even if they beg, they may not get any alms(if He wills so)

. History verifies how kings were reduced to nothing, it all happened under His Ordinance. You are judging Guru in wrong way, Guru Nanak is not describing God to be an entity holding any grudge( Vair Vala). Raja Harish Chandra’s story was very popular, he was reduced to a servant, and even he was pushed to eat grass. This Guru Vaak expresses the infinite power not enmity as you understand(that was a reference). You just stuck with a word” nadr upthee” That’s I all. I am sorry, this a wrong way to disagree with the Guru without understanding the context of the said Guru Vaak.
So once I again, I agree with Guru Nanak hundred percent and refute your accusation of calling Guru Nanak “defining God as with enmity”


if you have found all answers in Guru Granth Sahib ji i am so happy with you. i regard the reverence & love youh have. Dont consider that i do not love my Gurus. when a son does not agree with his father it does not mean that son does not love his father or leaves the home . i am not going to leave the home of sikhism. i have recieved a lot & i cherish that.( Quote Mahabir Singh Ji)

I never intended to portray you otherwise, and I leave to son and father and humbly request son (you )not inspire other sons to do so because I have found your disagreement based on sheer misunderstanding of “father’s (Gurus)words”

Let me tell you this i respect all my gurus & all those who have contributed in Sri Grant Sahib but no body is bigger than Akal purakh. Akal purakh is my true Guru. who guides me through my inner voice,

Here you are contradicting. All who contributed in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, had experience of God, how come God fail them but speak rightfully through you only? They are not there to be addressed as bigger than God but to share what God told them just as you are saying what He is telling you, to prove it let me quote your own words

“Agin please understand whatever views i have expressed so far or will express in furure will be those of Akal purakh & not mine. i am not body. – quote by Meharban Singh Ji”

Gurbani was revealed as per Guru Nannak, it was God who said all Gurbani to Guru Nanak and you also claim what you say is God's word., How can you question God who is the biggest of all (He spoke through Guru Nanak) without even understanding its context?
Respected Mahabir Singh Ji, take a deep breath and try to understand what actually was asked. I expressed my position, that doesn’t mean I question your experience. Guru is my refuge, I never felt to read other books to receive energy to merge with Him; I see none of Guru’s word contradictory or questionable as I look at them. How you deal with Gurbani, its your own choice. If you come up with other Guru Vakas with your disagreement, I shall clear that too.
Hope I haven’t used any word to displease you but I needed to clear something bothered you and question your disagreement with Guru Nanak based on total misunderstanding.
Thanks again for sharing your views.
With regards
G Singh

"There is a big reason behind it, in His love; one doesn’t question Him as being aware of His being beyond error. How we can say in pain “Waheguru tera shukr hai?” Only if we are in love with Him and understand His Hukam is beyond error regardless how it appears to us." - PK70 Ji
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"Gurbani asks Sikhs to be a warrior to win within negative primal forces and keep singing His praise and trying to still the mind in His love and leave it to His grace to have bliss.To love HIM, the purity of mind is also necessary " - PK70 Ji
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The great "evil" is the mind, in this day and age there is more mental illness. Why? when we have food, clothing, oportuninty.....its because of peoples natural instinct to survive, which does not exclude religion, Sikh's still believe in the caste system and that being fair skinned is better than being dark skinned.
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If not then why do families look for these things in marriage??

Pk70 ji,
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Thank you very much for pointing out my shortcomings. I appereciate your involvement & care. That is what friends are for.

you wil apprecate we all are individuals with individual perceptions , experiences & viewpoints.

Somehow i do not believe in a God who punishes. who gets angry . who is judgemental God. That forms the frame work of my understanding of God. i believe He is lovable God & His love is unconditional. it is in this context that some time i differ with the thoughts which portray God as an entity which can make Sultans to eat Grass.
i understand the whole passage of asa di vaar. i am not talking just one or two word from that in isolation. if you believe that God will not let you recieve His charity even after you beg then that is your belief.Even we humans forgive if some body makes a mistake.

please dont think my difference on one or two points with Guru Nanak Sahib will turn my back on him. you remember i once wrote what ever different view points i may have i sough out with Guru Nanak Sahib ji & he appreciates my courage.i love Guru Nanak.

The purpose of my writting ' Dont turn Down God' was that what ever is happining in our life it is His blessings & he sends Angels to us. For example if somebody offers you resolve your difference with other it is God who has sent that person to you. when we become aware of that we become grateful to God & when we become grateful we start loving HIm & thanking HIm. i hope the above is read in that context.
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with regards.

Mahanbir Singh.
once again i will say that God only loves. He is not an emotional God & egoistic God who gets angry at our mistakes. His love is total & unconditional.Therefore i dont believe He can never do Nadr Upathi.