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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots I must agree that it is not my place to declare anyone a real Sikh or not. I have my opinions, but they are just that, my opionions. I have often said that it takes more than a dastaar and a Singh - or a Kaur - somewhere in your name to make you a Sikh. Beyond that, I don't have much to say. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/25009-manmohan-singhs-statement-on-1984-riots.html
I take back that first statement slightly. Kanwar Pal ----- Gill is not a "real Sikh, in spite of his turban and the Singh I have dropped from his name. (I am, after all, a sinner and not above judging him.) I do not put Manmohan Singh in that category, at all.
I wonder how we would all define a "real Sikh," anyway. And would it make any difference whether Manmohan Singh is a "real Sikh" or not to anyone except himself and Akaal Purakh and possibly Guru Gobind Singh Ji, if he is Amritdhari.
My point is that he said something very stupid and hurtful and he ought to have the integrity to apologise to us survivors. Of course, I am not a citicen of the Republic of India, so my views are just academic anyway. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
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You eat the dirt, while you dwell in the immaculate waters. You know nothing of the ambrosial nectar there. ||1||Pause||
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15-May-2009, 21:46 PM
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Only Ik Ong Kaar can define/judge who is a real Sikh or not. Not us. So let us leave that to HIM and judge people for what they are and through their deeds in the political arena no matter what religion they belong to.
Yes, I have read it that Manmohan Singh's brothers called him a true Sikh in Amritsar to get the votes for the Congress. In the same token Akali Dal said Manmohan Singh is not a real Sikh to get votes for them and BJP. But that is not the point since my first post. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
KDS 1980ji, Pk70ji, Mai ji and others, please do not take this in a personal way. The fact is that we can not pretend to play Ik Ong Kaar by judging who is a real Sikh and not. We can judge them as honest or dishonest people through their deeds or lack there of. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
No Offenese intended.
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19-May-2009, 17:35 PM
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Manmohan Singh betrays a really poor understanding of his community. Since when have Sikhs EVER forgotton incidents like this in the past? We remember the previous ghallugharas and attacks on Sikhs, what makes him think that we are going to change now?
We are a people that place a very high premium on our own corporate recollection of events, and seeing how history is often distorted and whitewashed, this is no small thing.
I have to actually correct what I've said here, because in one respect, yes, this is a part of our past but the truth is that it is actually a living experience for the many that survived those events or were directly affected by losing loved ones. My heart goes out to you all. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
The notion that Sikhs will not pursue justice is ridiculous given past behaviour. Manmohan Singh, how could you? I respect your achievements, both academic and that which you have implemented in India for the good of many. But when are you going to follow the Khalsa principles of being hope to those without hope and a restorer of honour to those who have had their honour assailed. Will you be a true Singh and fight injustice or play a part in the ongoing attempt to turn a blind eye to what has happened? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
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19-May-2009, 19:45 PM
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Quote:
Originally Posted by benjamin_chaudry People are dying today, so shouldn't we focus on these injustices under our noses rather than lamenting over the past?  | People are still suffering from the actions in 1984, how can you tell them to forget like that? If you had lost your own family in such an event, I don't think you would be making such statements. | 
19-May-2009, 23:02 PM
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Benjamin Chaudry said: Quote: People are dying today, so shouldn't we focus on these injustices under our noses rather than lamenting over the past? |
As a survivor of this carnage, I have your answer. We are still living and dying today...Please consider us before you write.
I wrote this in another forum. Unfortunately, it seems to fit in perfectly here: Dear Benjamin Chaudry Ji,
I will answer your query and to why we cannot "forgive and forget" the carnage of 1984. Perhaps some are able to forgive and that is very good. I, as yet, am not able, as I still long for and miss my dead husband, son, brothers and the baby daughters who did not live long enough to be born. These are our shaheeds never to be forgotten; certainly they will not be forgotten in my lifetime.
I cannot forget those sweet smiles I will never see again, the children I will never bear, the grandchildren who will never be born. I cannot forget every time I feel the pain in my damaged knee and the improperly healed torn muscle in my leg, or when I see the scars on my body. I cannot forget every night when I sleep a bit and wake and sleep a bit and wake up and this continues until morning. In fact, I haven't gotten a full night's natural sleep in nearly 25 years. I could go on, but that is enough, I think to make my point.
Forgive, yes, very good, for those spiritually advanced enough to do so. (I am not, as yet. Perhaps tomorrow, perhaps soon, I cannot say.) Please, though, do not insult the memory of our shaheeds by suggesting we forget.
Forgive, yes, someday. Maybe. Forget, NEVER!!
Mai Harinder Kaur, Survivor
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Quote:
Originally Posted by benjamin_chaudry People are dying today, so shouldn't we focus on these injustices under our noses rather than lamenting over the past?  | Actually Benjamin ji
We have enough energy, heart and attention to focus on both, or more, or even more. There is no reason to forget, and every reason to remember. It does not detract from our compassion for other suffering people.
The ability to feel compassion starts at home. If we cannot recognize suffering in ourselves, then how do we recognize suffering felt by others? Compassion is not a fixed item in our emotional budget. It is something that can be spent and spent and spent and it never runs out. The more we give the greater our compassion grows. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots Mai Harinder kaur jio,
i feel your feelings. it is very difficult to forgive & forget what you & others have gone through. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots perhapse ths advice from Guru Nanak sahib will give you solace & peaceReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009 jo quD BwvY sweI BlIkwr qUM sdw slwmq inrMkwr] | | The following member appreciates mahanbir singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Manmohan Singh's Statement On 1984 Riots mai Harinder kaur ji,
your quotation from gurbani" ਦਾਦਰ ਤੂ ਕਬਹਿ ਨ ਜਾਨਸਿ ਰੇ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25009
dhaadhar thoo kabehi n jaanas rae ||
You frog, you will never understand.
ਭਖਸਿ ਸਿਬਾਲੁ ਬਸਸਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜਲ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨ ਲਖਸਿ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bhakhas sibaal basas niramal jal anmrith n lakhas rae ||1|| rehaao ||
You eat the dirt, while you dwell in the immaculate waters. You know nothing of the ambrosial nectar there. ||1||Pause||
it is so beutiful and appropriate that it conveys everything
Last edited by mahanbir singh; 25-Sep-2010 at 05:56 AM.
Reason: dont want this symbol that has been shown. how can i avoid such things in future?
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