Archived_member2 Jeeeeee!!!!

Give me a better translation and I'll change it. But the topic remains as Ajappa Jaap.

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The wonderful thing about the practice of the Divine Name is that there are no stringent regulations regarding its chanting — it can be handled by anyone at any time and at any place. If done with love, sincere feeling, determination and intense concentration, it removes the inner "filth" (egoism, ignorance, illusion, conditioning, Maya, etc.) enabling one to see All-pervading Truth within.

(Source: T. Singh)

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Yes -- the thread is wonderful Nam Jap ji! Ajappa Jap also good late at night, when you are in physical pain from an injury, or maybe arthritis, or perhaps sick with a virus, a fever. Naam Japna alleviates suffering -- all suffering.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

PK70 ji,

Guru Ji guides us step-by-step. If anhad shabad was the ultimate, then why have 4 Laavan. 2 should have been enough. But no, the journey continues :-

ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
Soohee, Fourth Mehl:

ਹਰਿ ਪਹਿਲੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਪਰਵਿਰਤੀ ਕਰਮ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
In the first round of the marriage ceremony, the Lord sets out His Instructions for performing the daily duties of married life.

ਬਾਣੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਵੇਦੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਹੁ ਪਾਪ ਤਜਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
Instead of the hymns of the Vedas to Brahma, embrace the righteous conduct of Dharma, and renounce sinful actions.

ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵਹੁ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ॥
Meditate on the Lord's Name; embrace and enshrine the contemplative remembrance of the Naam.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
Worship and adore the Guru, the Perfect True Guru, and all your sins shall be dispelled.

ਸਹਜ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਹੋਆ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਮਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ॥
By great good fortune, celestial bliss is attained, and the Lord, Har, Har, seems sweet to the mind.
ਜਨੁ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਲਾਵ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਆਰੰਭੁ ਕਾਜੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the first round of the marriage ceremony, the marriage ceremony has begun. ||1||

ਹਰਿ ਦੂਜੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
In the second round of the marriage ceremony, the Lord leads you to meet the True Guru, the Primal Being.

ਨਿਰਭਉ ਭੈ ਮਨੁ ਹੋਇ ਹਉਮੈ ਮੈਲੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
With the Fear of God, the Fearless Lord in the mind, the filth of egotism is eradicated.

ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਭਉ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਹਦੂਰੇ ॥
In the Fear of God, the Immaculate Lord, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and behold the Lord's Presence before you.

ਹਰਿ ਆਤਮ ਰਾਮੁ ਪਸਾਰਿਆ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸਰਬ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰੇ ॥
The Lord, the Supreme Soul, is the Lord and Master of the Universe; He is pervading and permeating everywhere, fully filling all spaces.

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਮੰਗਲ ਗਾਏ ॥
Deep within, and outside as well, there is only the One Lord God. Meeting together, the humble servants of the Lord sing the songs of joy.

ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੂਜੀ ਲਾਵ ਚਲਾਈ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦ ਵਜਾਏ ॥੨॥
Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the second round of the marriage ceremony, the unstruck sound current of the Shabad resounds. ||2||

ਹਰਿ ਤੀਜੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਮਨਿ ਚਾਉ ਭਇਆ ਬੈਰਾਗੀਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
In the third round of the marriage ceremony, the mind is filled with Divine Love.

ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਵਡਭਾਗੀਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
Meeting with the humble Saints of the Lord, I have found the Lord, by great good fortune.

ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਆ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲੀ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਣੀ ॥
I have found the Immaculate Lord, and I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. I speak the Word of the Lord's Bani.

ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਕਥੀਐ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥
By great good fortune, I have found the humble Saints, and I speak the Unspoken Speech of the Lord.

ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਧੁਨਿ ਉਪਜੀ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਭਾਗੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
The Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, vibrates and resounds within my heart; meditating on the Lord, I have realized the destiny inscribed upon my forehead.

ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੇ ਤੀਜੀ ਲਾਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਉਪਜੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਰਾਗੁ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the third round of the marriage ceremony, the mind is filled with Divine Love for the Lord. ||3||

ਹਰਿ ਚਉਥੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਮਨਿ ਸਹਜੁ ਭਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
In the fourth round of the marriage ceremony, my mind has become peaceful; I have found the Lord.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਸੁਭਾਇ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥
As Gurmukh, I have met Him, with intuitive ease; the Lord seems so sweet to my mind and body.

ਹਰਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਾਇਆ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ ॥
The Lord seems so sweet; I am pleasing to my God. Night and day, I lovingly focus my consciousness on the Lord.

ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਜੀ ਵਾਧਾਈ ॥
I have obtained my Lord and Master, the fruit of my mind's desires. The Lord's Name resounds and resonates.

ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਕਾਜੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ਧਨ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਿਗਾਸੀ ॥
The Lord God, my Lord and Master, blends with His bride, and her heart blossoms forth in the Naam.

ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੇ ਚਉਥੀ ਲਾਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਅਵਿਨਾਸੀ ॥੪॥੨॥
Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the fourth round of the marriage ceremony, we have found the Eternal Lord God. ||4||2||


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Ek Musafir Ji,

The english translations given by Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa are unsatisfactory. As PK70 Ji pointed out, it takes the enlightened person to translate correctly. Did you say that PK70 Ji ? Maybe Archived_member2 Ji can give us the correct translations of the Laavan.

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Aad Ji,

This reminds me of a parable. A beduine traveller came to an oasis to let his herd of animals have their fluid fill. While resting for the night, he was told about a wise man who lived here. The traveller (Musafir) had a good reason to go and visit the wise man. As he was greeted into the wise man's tent, the Musafir humbled himself down and bowed in reverence. He told the wise man, "I follow my religion diligently. I have great faith in Allah. But my horses have been stolen before and I often wonder whether I should tie my horses or have faith in Allah."

Hearing this, the wise man told him to come back in the morning as he wanted to contemplate on the answer. In the morning, the Musafir came back for the answer. The wise man said, my answer is this : "Tie your horses, and trust in Allah."

Take your medicine and do your Naam Jap.
I take something for arthritis myself - content - Glucosamine Sulphate and Chondroitin Sulphate.

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Nam Jap ji,
Pray for Truth for All!

I wasn't talking about myself in the particular.

This reminds me of a story too. Once on SPN someone said:

Some of us jap.
Some of us discuss.
And some of us jap and discuss.

Definitely it is wise to take your medicine too. One way or the other.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Namjap The topic is Ajappa Jaap. English translations fall short of explaining it.
I wonder why I exist.
I agree they do, whenever a translator try to translate word by word, Guru message is not conveyed fully and some time it is distorted. I agree with Ek musifir ajnabi when he says Gurbani is addressed different way to different people with different level of mind.. Ajap indicates a state of mind when it is completely lost in HIS thoughts, every thing stops, its hard to express through in words, I am million miles away from that; there is another example in this context. There is a shabad by Guru Nanak” pooja kijai Naam dhiaaeeai, bin Naam pooj n hoye” In that Shabad, Guru ji talks about His worship happening within. That also hints at special kind of state of mind. Regular people like me try to explain that kind of state of mind but without experience, it is impossible to word the gravity of that stage. And boasting talks about it, become laughable.
Namjap I strongly believe Gurbani is impossible to translate in its complete message, all translators showed their limitations, Sant Singh Khalsa is one of them.

Amjap ji First of all this, Shabad is not specially revealed for marriage ceremony. In Gurbani, the relation between the soul and the Creator is of wife and Husband. So Vivah( marriage) concept is taken to clarify the way of development of this pious relationship between God and the soul. Third Mehla also talks about this specific relationship

sUhI mhlw 3 ] jy loVih vru bwlVIey qw gur crxI icqu lwey rwm ] sdw hovih sohwgxI hir jIau mrY n jwey rwm

( In essence If soul wants her husband(God) should surrender to Guru and obey, forever Husband stays with her)
Following Guru Vaak clarifies this concept


squ sMqoKu kir Bwau kuVmu kuVmweI AwieAw bil rwm jIau
] kUVu kptu kmwvY mhw duKu pwvY ivxu siqgur mgu n pwieAw ]
Here KURM is used for Guru who arranges for union with God because without Guru, soul is prone to go astray.
vru pwieAw purKu AgMmu Agocru sd nvqnu bwl sKweI ] nwnk ikrpw kir kY myly ivCuiV kdy n jweI ]4]1] {pMnw 773}
Again Husband is HIM, once union occurs with HIM, separation never happens
So Guru ji refers to the same relationship of God and soul, now come back to the Shabad you quoted. It starts with first need of the soul to walk on that path, it is Guru who inspires soul lost in worldly affairs to turn to HIM only. Bhai Veer Singh defines (Shri Guru Granth sahib Kosh Page 428) “Parvirti as surt turning towards Naam after abandoning “Prvirti and nvirti(indifference approach towards world to realize God) Guru does that for the soul as a first step.
Namjap ji Guru ji has answered my question. In a way you were also right but going direct to “Jap” practice only, can be taken over as ritual by habit if SURT is not given and cleaning the mind is not done. As I said, Without Practicing Japji, Sikh dies spiritually, means if teachings in Japji Sahib are not practiced, Sikh fails to touch the taste of spirituality, means to over come ego and understanding His Ordinance and following the Guru on day to day life are mandatory for spirituality, mere talks take no where., so internal Surt and all trash Society buries the soul with must be cleaned. Here is Guru vaak you quoted
sUhI mhlw 4 ] hir pihlVI lwv privrqI krm idRVwieAw bil rwm jIau ] bwxI, bRhmw vydu, Drmu idRVhu pwp qjwieAw bil rwm jIau ] {pMnw 773}

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HAR bisrat sda khuari Mehla 5
pk70

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what an incredible discussion; thank you all so much. I'm just a beginner on this way, and all your advice and quotations of Gurbani is tremendously helpful. So much to meditate on...
I understand enough that one can't do jaap automatically nor can you ignore your daily duties. Sikhs should be mystics in the world.