Continuous Repetition of Waheguru

pk70 · #11 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 06:09 AM

SHALOK:

With my tongue, I chant the Lord’s Name; with my ears, I listen to the Ambrosial Word of His Shabad. Nanak is forever a sacrifice to those who meditate on the Supreme Lord God. || 1 ||(Page: 709)
Namjap ji
Above is a truthful statement of the one who experienced that state of mind, should we just chant Lord’s Name or do some thing first to deal with the trash society has loaded on us and soul is buried deep down?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/20247-continuous-repetition-of-waheguru.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247
Answer can show the way out if given depending upon the above Slok’s application.

ekmusafir_ajnabi · #12 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pk70

SHALOK:

With my tongue, I chant the Lord’s Name; with my ears, I listen to the Ambrosial Word of His Shabad. Nanak is forever a sacrifice to those who meditate on the Supreme Lord God. || 1 ||(Page: 709)
Namjap ji
Above is a truthful statement of the one who experienced that state of mind, should we just chant Lord’s Name or do some thing first to deal with the trash society has loaded on us and soul is buried deep down?
Answer can show the way out if given depending upon the above Slok’s application.

ਸਲੋਕ ॥
ਰਸਨਾ ਉਚਰੰਤਿ ਨਾਮੰ ਸ੍ਰਵਣੰ ਸੁਨੰਤਿ ਸਬਦ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਹ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਸਦ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੰ ਜਿਨਾ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮਣਹ ॥੧॥

Pk70 ji and Namjap ji,

Please "makhi te makhi na maro". Give justice to the Bani. Please ponder on the meanings of Bani once again.

Mantras are chanted(No emotions but concentration on purity of words) Shabads are recited (emotions / bhavna is present here)

Here the use of the word shabad refers to bani as one would hear bani with ones ears

Amriteh is bani that by listening liberates one. i.e. amar kar dene wali bani.

If you want just to please and admire each other then you are unlikely to learn or understand Gurus message.

kind regards

ekmusafir_ajnabi

ps correct pronounciation of the words/verses adds to the fine tuning.

Astroboy · #13 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pk70

SHALOK:

With my tongue, I chant the Lord’s Name; with my ears, I listen to the Ambrosial Word of His Shabad. Nanak is forever a sacrifice to those who meditate on the Supreme Lord God. || 1 ||(Page: 709)
Namjap ji
Above is a truthful statement of the one who experienced that state of mind, should we just chant Lord’s Name or do some thing first to deal with the trash society has loaded on us and soul is buried deep down?
Answer can show the way out if given depending upon the above Slok’s application.

I understand by the above-mentioned vaak that with the tongue we sing or recite the name of the Lord which are million names but Sikhs choose to say Vaheguru or Satnam or whole of mool-mantar. At the same time we also put our attention on listening of the Inner Sound Current - this is not a physical or biological sound and different from what RSSB claim is the sound current.

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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi

ਸਲੋਕ ॥
ਰਸਨਾ ਉਚਰੰਤਿ ਨਾਮੰ ਸ੍ਰਵਣੰ ਸੁਨੰਤਿ ਸਬਦ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਹ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਸਦ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੰ ਜਿਨਾ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮਣਹ ॥੧॥

Pk70 ji and Namjap ji,

Please "makhi te makhi na maro". Give justice to the Bani. Please ponder on the meanings of Bani once again.

Mantras are chanted(No emotions but concentration on purity of words) Shabads are recited (emotions / bhavna is present here)

Here the use of the word shabad refers to bani as one would hear bani with ones ears

Amriteh is bani that by listening liberates one. i.e. amar kar dene wali bani.

If you want just to please and admire each other then you are unlikely to learn or understand Gurus message.

kind regards

ekmusafir_ajnabi

ps correct pronounciation of the words/verses adds to the fine tuning.

Yes ekmusafir Ji,

we should not try to out do each other by quoting gurbani which is not backed by actual experience. So shall we now get involved in satsang here and discuss the modus operandi of the real sound current. Personal experiences have to be shared and no one needs to offend anyone intentionally for bringing out those experience which are precious to one's self only.

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Originally Posted by namjap

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
सिरीरागु महला १ ॥
Sirīrāg mehlā 1.
Siree Raag, First Mehl:

ਸਭਿ ਰਸ ਮਿਠੇ ਮੰਨਿਐ ਸੁਣਿਐ ਸਾਲੋਣੇ ॥
सभि रस मिठे मंनिऐ सुणिऐ सालोणे ॥
Sabẖ ras miṯẖė mani*ai suṇi*ai sāloṇė.
Believing, all tastes are sweet. Hearing, the salty flavors are tasted;

ਖਟ ਤੁਰਸੀ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਮਾਰਣ ਨਾਦ ਕੀਏ ॥
खट तुरसी मुखि बोलणा मारण नाद कीए ॥
Kẖat ṯursī mukẖ bolṇā māraṇ nāḏ kī*ė.
chanting with one's mouth, the spicy flavors are savored. All these spices have been made from the Sound-current of the Naad.

ਛਤੀਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭਾਉ ਏਕੁ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥੧॥
छतीह अम्रित भाउ एकु जा कउ नदरि करेइ ॥१॥
Cẖẖaṯīh amriṯ bẖā*o ėk jā ka*o naḏar karė*i. ||1||
The thirty-six flavors of ambrosial nectar are in the Love of the One Lord; they are tasted only by one who is blessed by His Glance of Grace. ||1||

ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਖਾਣਾ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥
बाबा होरु खाणा खुसी खुआरु ॥
Bābā hor kẖāṇā kẖusī kẖu*ār.
O Baba, the pleasures of other foods are false.

ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जितु खाधै तनु पीड़ीऐ मन महि चलहि विकार ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Jiṯ kẖāḏẖai ṯan pīṛī*ai man meh cẖaleh vikār. ||1|| rahā*o.
Eating them, the body is ruined, and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||

ਜੇ ਮਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਯਾਦ ਵਿਚ ਪਰਚ ਜਾਏ, ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ (ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੇ) ਸਾਰੇ ਮਿੱਠੇ ਸੁਆਦ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਸਮਝੋ। ਜੇ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹਰੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਚ ਜੁੜਨ ਲੱਗ ਪਏ, ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਲੂਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਜਾਣੋ। ਮੂੰਹ ਨਾਲ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਉਚਾਰਨਾ ਖੱਟੇ ਸੁਆਦ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਸਮਝੋ। ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਮਸਾਲੇ ਜਾਣੋ। ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨਾਲ ਇਕ-ਰਸ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਛੱਤੀ ਕਿਸਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਸੁਆਦਲੇ ਭੋਜਨ ਹਨ। (ਪਰ ਇਹ ਉੱਚੀ ਦਾਤਿ ਉਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ) ਜਿਸ ਉਤੇ (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਮਿਹਰ ਦੀ) ਨਜ਼ਰ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।੧।

The thirty-six flavors of ambrosial nectar are in the Love of the One Lord; they are tasted only by one who is blessed by His Glance of Grace. ||1||

Anybody can share their experience of the flavours of the Ambrosial Nectar. Kindly share with us.

~ namjap ~

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #14 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 10:08 AM

NAM JAP JI,
DONT BE DISCOURAGED BY ADVERSE COMMENTS...
YOU ARE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON...( not an empty fokee wadaiyee )
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247
am learning from you.....carry on teaching and sharing..please.

Gyani jarnail Singh

futurekaur · #15 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 11:24 AM

NamJapji;
you always post such helpful things. I was away for a couple of weeks, with limited internet and your articles were the first thing I would read. I know it is ideal to do nam jap during amritvela, and of course other times, is it wrong to do it at the airport or during a plane flight?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247
I'm a nervous flyer and started to do nam jap, but now I'm not so sure if that was right.

Astroboy · #16 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 11:58 AM

All praises to God. In a conversation on the paradox of existence, I asked - what proof is there that we exist ? Ever seen how robots and computers talk with each other ? What we see from their outer form is completely misleading because the genius at work is a proto-type of the creator.

We are just a robot following a programmed path thru which we also exhibit to feel wonder and mystery during our journey. When this biological robot is ripped apart - spirit to spirit and dust to dust takes place. Nothing dies, guru vaak as follows :-
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247

ਦੇਹੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਬੋਲੈ ਪਉਣੁ ॥
देही माटी बोलै पउणु ॥
Ḏėhī mātī bolai pauṇ.
The body is dust; the wind speaks through it.
ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਇਆ ਦੇਹੀ ਪਰਮਲ ਮਹਕੰਦਾ ॥
इआ देही परमल महकंदा ॥
Iā ḏėhī parmal mahkanḏā.
People anoint their bodies with fragrant oils,
ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Gyani Ji and Future Kaur Ji,

If we take an example of metal as soul and impurities of the mind as impurities existing in metal, it is very likely that a metal with impurities will be put aside and not merged with molten pure metal. It will be used to create cast iron transformed into various other forms. Re-incarnated again.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20247

When our present journey ends, the creator will merge us with Him if we are void of the impurities of the mind.

My two cents.

ekmusafir_ajnabi · #17 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 17:49 PM

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Originally Posted by namjap

Yes ekmusafir Ji,

we should not try to out do each other by quoting gurbani which is not backed by actual experience. So shall we now get involved in satsang here and discuss the modus operandi of the real sound current. Personal experiences have to be shared and no one needs to offend anyone intentionally for bringing out those experience which are precious to one's self only.

The thirty-six flavors of ambrosial nectar are in the Love of the One Lord; they are tasted only by one who is blessed by His Glance of Grace. ||1||

Anybody can share their experience of the flavours of the Ambrosial Nectar. Kindly share with us.

~ namjap ~

Namjap ji,

Firstly, I have no intention to out do anyone as you have felt. What I said was for your benefit so that you would take a deeper interest in understanding Gurbani. There is no compitition here Namjap ji and if there is, then I do not want to be part of it. Secondly, what kind of certification are you seeking that would be approved by you to confirm one has had the actual experience.

As far as personal experiences are concerned, one needs to rise above the ridhi-sidhi level to understand and appreciate them. People generally settle down at this level under the illusion that they have become spiritually elevated. If you wish to limit your understanding to the level of Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa then I wish you good luck.

Gyani Jarnail Singh ji,

I am rather surprised that you take my comments as discouraging. If one is being guided to dwell deeper to understand Gurbani, Which is something one would expect as contributionfrom knowledgeable people like yourself, is that considered negative or discouraging.

Kind Regards

ekmusafir_ajnabi

Astroboy · #18 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 19:42 PM

Archived_member2 Jeeeeee!!!!

The topic is Ajappa Jaap. English translations fall short of explaining it.

Astroboy · #19 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 20:17 PM

Balbir Singh Jeeeeee!!!!

Give me a better translation and I'll change it. But the topic remains as Ajappa Jaap.

Astroboy · #20 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2008, 21:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by futurekaur

I know it is ideal to do nam jap during amritvela, and of course other times, is it wrong to do it at the airport or during a plane flight?
I'm a nervous flyer and started to do nam jap, but now I'm not so sure if that was right.

The wonderful thing about the practice of the Divine Name is that there are no stringent regulations regarding its chanting — it can be handled by anyone at any time and at any place. If done with love, sincere feeling, determination and intense concentration, it removes the inner "filth" (egoism, ignorance, illusion, conditioning, Maya, etc.) enabling one to see All-pervading Truth within.

(Source: T. Singh)