Sakhi - King Janak: How To Meditate

FiveLovedOnes · #10 (**permalink**) 03-Jul-2007, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Harjap Khalsa

Ok you call yourself a PURE FiveLovedOne.Well My username is fiveLovedones.I can in no way compare myself to five loved ones.there is noone born in the history who could compare their sacrifice.They have laid the foundation of Sikhi.Message of those loved one is the basis of sikhi till today n will be in future.Give ur head N SURRENDER (get beheaded) to ur guru 's Hukums n get Guru's blessings(Amrit).TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND. Guru Sahib gave Panj Pyaare the darja of Guru. OK DO SOMETHING FOR SIKH JAGAT- I really want to see this SelfStyledFiveLovedOne's parupkaar. Tell the Sangat any one of your kaarnaama. Have you done anything other than depriving yourself of food and sleep and feeding yourself with ceaseless exercise. Seems like an obsessed person. I believe that's why you only talka bout khana and sauna, that's all.(becoz Guru stresses a lot about it.Also both r very important part of ur body n mind.Also remember that today sleep n food r the main cause of all diseases n cancers my friend.Guru already knew it n so cautioned his Sikhs at many places in Gurubani) Ego and Pride, aren't the same thaalee de chatte batte.(badly wrong here.Pride is the one that brings u close to guru if u have understood the fact that it is Guru that showed u the way n noone else.Every moment U feel great,healthy,happy n in chardi kala U will always feel proud of ur great guru n pride will be like guru's blessing to U.Mind remains calm n meditates on Lord with great ease-No practice of any sadhna needed as some fools talk about."Bule Shah rab da kaya pona edroo putna tey edar lona".No Sadana needed for this.Little practice is enough.It is afterall Guru who showed u the way that noone else could in this world.All modern saints,sants,deras,tongis can only mislead us.
Btw ego is an enemy of one self n pushes a sikh away from guru.)

Guru Di bakhsheesh da koi andaaza hai tuhaanu my friend.(Guru's baksheesh is felt by those who do it n not those who simply criticize followers.BTW I am not pointing to U.I am talking only in general) All this happens to a person when Amrit Di Dhaara is felt,(Amrit di daara is felt by those who sacrifices their sukh araam n take just a nap sleep(remember u r a saint soldier n not just a saint) as per guru's baachans-"Thora sonvey Thora he Khavey Gurusikh Sohe Sahaj Samavey" n meditate on Guru's Naam,do 5 paath n then listen to Guru shabads as day light breaks.While whole day remember god.U should stress more on the fact why Guru has called this very early time only Amrit-vela why not other times of the day.Understand the logic behind it.Try to understand how time could be Amrit to anyone.To understand this do it n find out.Only then u will experience real power within u n feeling of chardi kala will engulf u whole day.U will get a mind to think globally n not sticking to ur family or ur own community.Guru will change u to a leader.Live guru's way.) not that a person should do all this to feel the absolute. Ulta raah far ke beh gay ho tusi(if guru 's way appear ulta to U,then I will be more happy that I am following it.Guru's ways r the best for me atleast who takes hardship n understand what guru means.If waking up very early in the morning is ulta vela for U then i will follow it with more force becoz my Guru called it Amrit Vela.It really provides Amrit power to his sikh.Don't believe me.Come on.Do it n get it.Without doing u will never know what I mean.Without doing it u r always in darkness n only imaginative of what will happen.U may think that maybe I will go weak by sleeping less.ha ha...........worldly science follower), JapJi Sahib Da paath dhyaan naal pareyaa karo, Waheguru/Satguru Mehar karnge- as Bhai Gurdas Ji says: Charan Sarn Gur Ek Paindaa jae chal Satguru kot paindaa aagey hoi let hai.So u think that I get up very early in the morning to watch TV.my dear friend I have given u quotes from Gurubani.These r not my ways.All r guru's.wake up for guru n whole day Guru will himself will stay with U n serve u with Amrit power.Do it n know it.

Guru Sahib De pavan kathan-
Hasandeaa khelandeyaa pehnandeyaa khavandeyaa vicheay hove mukat.I agree.but still one cannot ignore guru's hukums n lifestyle.All this what u said r only small part of gurusikh's life.One can listen to songs for a while but not whole day n whole life.Understand this concept.
Obeying guru's hukum decides sikh's life.Without following saint + soldier life all above goes waste.Remember.without fighting in battle field for weak n oppressed n leading the life of a slave ( to Indian govt. now) and without naam simran n following guru ji 's Hukums all above leads to nothing.If u r doing these 2 things n doing what u mentioned thru gurubani ,all r excepted.otherwise all becomes dukh finally.

Guru de charana ch beh ke vekho nimaane ho ke- Sutte peyaan vi bhagti hi hovegee.So u mean a soldier should sleep n meditate.
Sing praises of lord in battle field -Said guru Gobind Singh Ji to his Khalsa force.No battle ! then prepare for it days n night to become a tayaar bar tayaar khalsa.Sit in guru lap(mind stuck at guru's feet chanting his Naam) while preparing as a soldier.u will really enjoy guru's charan there.U r afterall founded by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.remember what he made u- SAINT + SOLDIER.

Chant name of lord while exercising,playing shastars,at work,playing n others."Haath pau doye kaam kar chit niranjan Naal-Bagat NaamDev Ji."

FiveLovedOnes Ji, Jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru -lakh lakh gera aakheeay ek naam jagdish
Anant anant vaari jap Waheguu Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Remember all matters guru talk about r equally important even if it is Khana n sauna.both r very extremely important for ur body n mind.Exercise is another thing that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj stressed a lot by engaging his sikhs in weapons practice days n nights.So they were undefeatable.TOUGH LIFESTYLE WAS THE ONLY FACTOR THAT ALWAYS MADE THEM THE WINNERS OF THEIR AGE.THEY NEVER SAT FOR LONG N CHANTED LORD'S NAAM BUT IN THE BATTLEFIELD INSTEAD.

One thing cannot be more better or important than others when guru Himself stresses so much on it n made it part of their life as well.read history for examples.BTW if u cannot change urself it is fine.wait till suffering comes.Finally u will blame age as the factor.No it is ignorance of guru's bachans for years.
In olden days old people never suffered from blood pressure n diabetes while today even young r suffering.reason ignorance of guru's words n sticking to their lifestyle whole life.

WITHOUT FOLLOWING NOTHING IS ACHIEVED.

SUFFERINGS FINALLY BECOME ONE'S FRIEND.

Harjap Khalsa · #11 (**permalink**) 03-Jul-2007, 06:36 AM

FiveLovedOnes Ji

your words:

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Originally Posted by FiveLovedOnes

No Sadana needed for this.Little practice is enough.

But you say that saadna is needed to cut food, sleep and exercise.

So according to you: Mind that is like Mast Haathian da jhund, is easy for you to control with little practice, but the hard part is food, sleep and exercise.

amazingly your analogy doesnt make any sense .

I still believe and say
everybody including you FiveLovedOnes Ji, jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru
Varamvaar, anant vaar

instead of wasting your energy in channelling you thoughts on food, sleep and exercise- read and contemplate on Gurbani- the rest follows.

Charan chalo maarg gobind

Jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru anant vaari

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

FiveLovedOnes · #12 (**permalink**) 03-Jul-2007, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harjap Khalsa

FiveLovedOnes Ji

your words:

But you say that saadna is needed to cut food, sleep and exercise.

So according to you: Mind that is like Mast Haathian da jhund, is easy for you to control with little practice, but the hard part is food, sleep and exercise.

amazingly your analogy doesnt make any sense .

I still believe and say
everybody including you FiveLovedOnes Ji, jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru
Varamvaar, anant vaar

instead of wasting your energy in channelling you thoughts on food, sleep and exercise- read and contemplate on Gurbani- the rest follows.

Charan chalo maarg gobind

Jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru anant vaari

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Let time be ur best teacher.Wait n watch the game turning if u don't follow simple rules of guru.

Harjap Khalsa · #13 (**permalink**) 03-Jul-2007, 18:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveLovedOnes

Let time be ur best teacher.Wait n watch the game turning if u don't follow simple rules of guru.

Your thinking is tying you with Time- KAAL. Guru is the only one who can save you from this bandhan.

Guru de lar lag javo- man Bach Karam -through all the three

Guru is always afresh, within us, Guiding us, around us, protecting us.

Japi javo anant vaari- Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

Bani paro te vichaaro te jeevo guru ka pavan bachan

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

mystic · #14 (**permalink**) 04-Jul-2007, 00:09 AM

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Beautifully put, our fivebelovedones appears to be lost in his enthusiam.

There are 7 layers of ego defined, the most subtle yet dangerous one is the Dharmic ego, ego driven by "thoughts" that one is following GOD's rules! The guys in Glasgow thought the same too.

Followers of Buddha are called Buddhists
Followers of Christ are called Christians
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/16013-sakhi-king-janak-how-to-meditate.html
Follwers of Mohammed are called Mohammadans
We are not called Nanakist, or Nanakians, Nanakdans... we are known as SIKHS... those always in a process of learning through humility, not arrogance. If you feel you KNOW, that how can you learn anything else? You can only fill something that is empty, not that which is full of its own content.

Sikhs are probably the only people who have been given PERMISSION to question their Guru. Remember sakis of Guru Gobind Singh ji as Ucha da Peer?? The Amrit initation, whe Guru Gobind Singh Ji was questioned by the 5 Pyare? Even Guru Nanak asks, Kiv sachara Hovia? See, its a question!

One can not question Islam, Mohammed or Koran.... its called Blind faith, blind leading the blind. In order to learn you need to have a question, the question starts simply..... who am i? My essense. Jot saroop, that is what we need to investigate. The mind can only be conquered by the Mind through the use of concentrative meditation focused on the vibrations of Shabad.

We are called Sikhs for a reason, we are in a contant state of learning, to learn we need to start with a recognistion that we DONT KNOW.

Of course the relationship between Guru and Sikh is a profound one that is based on acceptance, humility and an exchange of energies, teachings and understandings. However, the GURU (teacher, or the one that takes you from darkness to light, from a state of not knowing to knowing, avidya, ignorance to vidya, knowledge), is essential but we need to FOLLOW the gurus teachings, not retrace his footsteps. Each one of us has our own path specific to us, we need to allow the Guru to show us the direction.

The Guru is pointing his finger at the moon to show us the moon, and we we wish to do is to look at his finger.

Finally, there are four types of Sikhi. The first is Exeperinec, its like putting your hand in the fire, experiencing the pain.
The second is knowledge, when someone standing beside you, who sees you putting your hand into the fire, sees your pain, therefore has KNOWLEDGE of the suffering, BUT NOT the experience
The third type is belief, when one tells aother and it is accepted as truth, dont go near the fire it burns.
The fourth is ritual, when you dont go near fire, but dont know why.

I have attached a simple meditation by Bhai Kirpal Singh from Malaysia. If you wish try it, if not... so be

Vibrational Celestial Meditation, based on Gurbani by Bhai Kirpal Singh -

MAINLY FOR THE SIKHS
Besides the particular phrases used for the Mantra chantings all the other basics of Meditation covered below are applicable to all communities, besides the Sikhs.
Chant or just say the Holy phrase, SATNAAM SRI WAHEGURU a few times. Before undertaking any task, uttering the Lord's Name invokes the Blessings of the Divine. Also by doing so, ones attention is elevated and lifted towards God Almighty.
Protective Prayer
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013
If you know the hymn, "TAATI VAAO NA LAGAEE PARBRAHEM SARNAEE", then it is good to recite or chant it, as this hymn invokes pervasive protection. It is necessary to protect oneself from the lower elemental negative forces, which are rampant in the troubled world of Kali Yuga, the Black Age.
Preparatory Chantings
Now comes the main part, the chanting of the Mantras. There are three Mantras to be chanted. The MOOL MANTRA

"EK OANKAAR SAT NAAM

KARTA PURAKH NIRBHAU NIRWAIR AKAAL MURAT

AJUN SAIBHANG GUR PARSAAD"

is chanted three times. This incidentally, is one of the most potent passages ever revealed to man by God. Then comes the NAAM MANTRA -

"SATNAAM SRI WAHEGURU"

which is chanted 5 to 6 times and finally the GURMANTRA,

"WAHEGURU"

is chanted. This last mantra is recited as the inner promptings make us do so. One may ask, in what precise manner are these Mantras chanted. With deep devotion, love and reverence chant the three Mantras in kirtan form, in slow solaceful melody. Do not be in a haste. With long intonations and short pauses in between, sing each word spreading it through the entire breath-span so that their transcendental vibrations manifest in your being. As you come to WAHEGURU, WAHEGURU, the Gurmantra, if you have not already relaxed and submitted, then let go and reduce yourself to nothingness, a vacuum, with body and mind completely and wholly sacrificed on the alter of God.

Gurfateh

FiveLovedOnes · #15 (**permalink**) 04-Jul-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystic

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Beautifully put, our fivebelovedones appears to be lost in his enthusiam.

There are 7 layers of ego defined, the most subtle yet dangerous one is the Dharmic ego, ego driven by "thoughts" that one is following GOD's rules! The guys in Glasgow thought the same too.

Followers of Buddha are called Buddhists
Followers of Christ are called Christians
Follwers of Mohammed are called Mohammadans
We are not called Nanakist, or Nanakians, Nanakdans... we are known as SIKHS... those always in a process of learning through humility, not arrogance. If you feel you KNOW, that how can you learn anything else? You can only fill something that is empty, not that which is full of its own content.

Sikhs are probably the only people who have been given PERMISSION to question their Guru. Remember sakis of Guru Gobind Singh ji as Ucha da Peer?? The Amrit initation, whe Guru Gobind Singh Ji was questioned by the 5 Pyare? Even Guru Nanak asks, Kiv sachara Hovia? See, its a question!

One can not question Islam, Mohammed or Koran.... its called Blind faith, blind leading the blind. In order to learn you need to have a question, the question starts simply..... who am i? My essense. Jot saroop, that is what we need to investigate. The mind can only be conquered by the Mind through the use of concentrative meditation focused on the vibrations of Shabad.

We are called Sikhs for a reason, we are in a contant state of learning, to learn we need to start with a recognistion that we DONT KNOW.

Of course the relationship between Guru and Sikh is a profound one that is based on acceptance, humility and an exchange of energies, teachings and understandings. However, the GURU (teacher, or the one that takes you from darkness to light, from a state of not knowing to knowing, avidya, ignorance to vidya, knowledge), is essential but we need to FOLLOW the gurus teachings, not retrace his footsteps. Each one of us has our own path specific to us, we need to allow the Guru to show us the direction.

The Guru is pointing his finger at the moon to show us the moon, and we we wish to do is to look at his finger.

Finally, there are four types of Sikhi. The first is Exeperinec, its like putting your hand in the fire, experiencing the pain.
The second is knowledge, when someone standing beside you, who sees you putting your hand into the fire, sees your pain, therefore has KNOWLEDGE of the suffering, BUT NOT the experience
The third type is belief, when one tells aother and it is accepted as truth, dont go near the fire it burns.
The fourth is ritual, when you dont go near fire, but dont know why.

I have attached a simple meditation by Bhai Kirpal Singh from Malaysia. If you wish try it, if not... so be

Vibrational Celestial Meditation, based on Gurbani by Bhai Kirpal Singh -

MAINLY FOR THE SIKHS
Besides the particular phrases used for the Mantra chantings all the other basics of Meditation covered below are applicable to all communities, besides the Sikhs.
Chant or just say the Holy phrase, SATNAAM SRI WAHEGURU a few times. Before undertaking any task, uttering the Lord's Name invokes the Blessings of the Divine. Also by doing so, ones attention is elevated and lifted towards God Almighty.
Protective Prayer
If you know the hymn, "TAATI VAAO NA LAGAEE PARBRAHEM SARNAEE", then it is good to recite or chant it, as this hymn invokes pervasive protection. It is necessary to protect oneself from the lower elemental negative forces, which are rampant in the troubled world of Kali Yuga, the Black Age.
Preparatory Chantings
Now comes the main part, the chanting of the Mantras. There are three Mantras to be chanted. The MOOL MANTRA

"EK OANKAAR SAT NAAM
KARTA PURAKH NIRBHAU NIRWAIR AKAAL MURAT
AJUN SAIBHANG GUR PARSAAD"

is chanted three times. This incidentally, is one of the most potent passages ever revealed to man by God. Then comes the NAAM MANTRA -

"SATNAAM SRI WAHEGURU"

which is chanted 5 to 6 times and finally the GURMANTRA,

"WAHEGURU"

is chanted. This last mantra is recited as the inner promptings make us do so. One may ask, in what precise manner are these Mantras chanted. With deep devotion, love and reverence chant the three Mantras in kirtan form, in slow solaceful melody. Do not be in a haste. With long intonations and short pauses in between, sing each word spreading it through the entire breath-span so that their transcendental vibrations manifest in your being. As you come to WAHEGURU, WAHEGURU, the Gurmantra, if you have not already relaxed and submitted, then let go and reduce yourself to nothingness, a vacuum, with body and mind completely and wholly sacrificed on the alter of God.

Gurfateh

Becoming Judge of others is easy but becoming ur own judge for a while is difficult.Btw being judgemental is good but not for others but to ur own self.
Thru Guru's vision understand urself first n explore the blessings of Guru as u follow him n let the light explored go to others.
If one's findings doesn't suit ur lifestyle or ur views then u should not be a part of this community/forum.Here everyone should come as a teacher as well as a student.teach others what u have learned by truely following Guru's words n at the same time be a good student to learn from others.If u have this attitude in u U will learn n benefit.Afterall Sikhi is flexibility to follow guru n his hard lifestyle.It is thru hardship strong warriors r born n raised.BTW i appear different in this site becoz many people expect me to be speaking language of a gursikh n gurmukhi all time.Not needed to prove oneself a gursikh or Guru Gobind Singh 's Lion.
Be what u r the Guru's way.That's what is the current need of everyone now.Be ur own judge first.Learn n teach others.Nothing can be achieved by being rigid.Surrendering is essential for learning n following.

Sufferings follow at the end n its end is no way near till one actually starts following Guru's words/paths.
Start understanding other first before giving them the lessons.Before that it is important to understand oneself n be a good judge of oneself.

mystic · #16 (**permalink**) 06-Jul-2007, 17:49 PM

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

There is NO judgement here, nor do I intent to judge. However, I feel your error lies not in MY judgement but your egocentic understanding, Ahambudi that contradicts Gurbani.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013

you state..."Start understanding other first before giving them the lessons.Before that it is important to understand oneself n be a good judge of oneself".
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013

While Gurbani states "Why do you go looking for God in the forest? Although he is unattached, he
dwells everywhere. He is always with you as your companion. Like the fragrance
which remains in the flower, and like the reflection in the mirror, God dwells deep
Within; search for Him Within your own Heart, O brother. Outside and inside,
know that there is only One God; the Guru has imparted this wisdom to me.
O servant Nanak, WITHOUT KNOWING ONES OWN SELF, the moss of doubt is not removed (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 684).

Sabh kish ghar mahi baahari naahee. Baahari tolai so bharam bhulaahee: Everything is Within the home of the Self; there is nothing beyond. One who searches outside is deluded by doubts (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 102).
Vichi kaaiaa nagar ladhaa har bhaalee: Searching within the body-village, I have found the Lord (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1134).
Pritam basat rid mahi khor: My Beloved lives in the cave of my heart (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1121).
Satgur meraa sadaa sadaa na aavai na jaayi. Oh abinaasee purakh a sabh mahi rahiyaa samaayi: My True Guru is eternal; beyond birth and death. He is the Imperishable Creator; He is permeating and pervading among all (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 759).
Chet suchet chit hoyi rahu tayu lai pargaas ujaaraa: When you are conscious in your Consciousness, you will be enlightened and illuminated (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 339).
Mann tu jot saroop hai apnaa mool pashaan: O my mind, you are That — the true image of the Divine Light — know your Reality (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 441).

KNOW YOURSELF, not the other! that is our ego centric problem, we are too busy knowing "others", there is NO-other in Gurmat, in fact, if you read Bhai Gurdas ji, the defining quality of a Gurmukh is the one who only sees the One.

Without MEDITATION or Dhyan how can you know yourself, please let the sangat know so we can all follow your teachings rather than Gurbani?

Gurfateh

Narayanjot Kaur · #17 (**permalink**) 06-Jul-2007, 19:08 PM

Harjap ji said, Guru is always afresh, within us, Guiding us, around us, protecting us.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013

Makes things a lot easier! Meditation, prayer, sadhana, thinking, thought, centering, working through the day.

FiveLovedOnes · #18 (**permalink**) 06-Jul-2007, 22:07 PM

Be more practical than just theoretical.
Being Practical is sikhism
being theoretical is brahaminism.

If U say u have taken Amrit U will have to prepare all time like a soldier for the battle which can sprung out any time.worship n chant the name while preparing.Soldier always sleep less.Eat desired.U first need to be a soldier n then incorporate saint within U which is far easier way to become a saint-warrior.While reverse is difficult i.e first become a saint n then a soldier.Many fail in this way.Become a soldier n exercise days n nights n get chardi kala.With this chardi kala if u sit n listen to Gurbani U will understand n follow more easily with great ease.Remember this.If don't believe in me then do it n figure out urself.U will become a saint-warrior more easily this way.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013

Brahamins sit in temples n keep chanting name of their many gods,never prepare for battles n think of odd ways to earn their bread.They r more theoretical.They simply praise their religion n religious teachings.Ego always haunt them.They sleep a lot.They eat a lot.Days n night their mind is stuck in eating,sleeping n enjoying.They r unable to chant the name of Lord with their sick body n mind.

So it is time to think what is the difference between sikhs n brahamins.Make sure that u r distinct (Khalsa ways n lifestyle must be distinct from the rest of the world) n nothing of urs should resemble paths of brahamins otherwise u will become slaves of slaves.This is the current situation of sikhs today.So think many times R U REALLY FOLLOWING TOUGH SIKHI PATHS THAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAJ SET FOR HIS SIKHS WARRIORS.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16013

KHALSA SOHE JO NIT KARE JANG.(need to be a warrior)

KOHE KISE KO RAJ NAH DEH HAIN
JO LAIN HAIN NIJ BAL PAH LAIN HAIN.(need to become a warrior for this hukum)

KHALSA SOHE JO NIRDAN KO PALLEH (saint)
KHALSA SOHE JO DUST KO GALE(WARRIOR)

Thanks.

Sat Shri Akal All of U.