Sikh Girls: A Confused Lot. Are Parents To Blame?

Learning_Sikhi · #19 (**permalink**) 20-Aug-2005, 23:46 PM

Sat Sri Akal Everybody,

I am new to Sikh Philosophy and this is my first post. I am curious to learn Sikhism, I have been to this site quite often and found most of the post very informative and interesting to read.

I hope to learn more from all of you.
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Thank you all for sharing your knowledge

Wahe Guru Ji ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru ji ki Fateh
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S|kH · #20 (**permalink**) 21-Aug-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BaljeetSingh

Ok...my take on this problem is as follows:

Sikhism is a relatively young religion (compared to Chirtianity, Islam and Hinduism). All religions have to go through litmus test. Christianity and Islam have gone through this test. Hinduism was in danger for more than 1000 years (Since 1000 AD till 1800s), when India was attacked and ruled by Moghuls. With each test, each of these religions have become more mature, with the followers taking their religion more seriously.

Sikhism has also gone through many tests in its relatively shorter history. The Moghul rulers of India tried to eliminate Sikhism. Sikhi passed that test in flying colors but at the cost of countless Sikh lives. Only those Sikhs passed the test who were strong enough to carry Sikhi forward. Weak sikhs either just disappeared or mingled with the rest of the population. Call it the "Survival of the fittest"

Sikhism today is again passing through a test. It must pass again with flying colors. All those whom you see around are weak Sikhs. They will and should just disappear from the Sikh community. Ironically, it is better for the Sikhi future. Only those who have the courage will remain "true" Sikhs.

So, instead of becoming "confused", be "strong". Instead of "blaming" parents or your relatives, "pity" them, as they are going to miss the train of Sikhi of the future.

Regards,

Although you bring an interesting view of the "litmus test". I use this same theory, except in a different way. The Litmus test (Same thing I call it too

) works the other way around in my views. For everytime a religion or group of people have to go through a hard phase, its the strong ones, the believers that stand up and die, while the cowards remain alive and run. Some of these cowards run and change thier lifestyle (convert) and others just run away, but try to keep their weak viewpoint of their religion. Hence, when a hard phase comes about, its the ACTUAL religious people that die, and the weak ones that live on and reproduce. Look at all the Sikh wars, its the Khalsay that actually knew about Sikhi were the ones that died...and its the monay who ran and cut their hair to blend in, that survived yet tried to keep the title of "a Sikh". Hence, the litmus test works in reverse for all religions and wipes out the ones who are more staunch and strong about their views.

This applies to race also, for when slavery was around, the strong blacks fought against and died, the weaker ones being the ones who never fought and just obeyed, and told their children that the white man will always rule them. These were the people that reproduced and told their children the white man will always rule and you will never win, so just obey. Litmus test excluded the strong ones, and the weak ones continued the legacy.

The state of Christianity is almost a joke now, for Christians lost the battle to secularization. Like the Sikhs, the Christians won and fought many battles and persecution, but are losing to secularization. Islam, one of the strongest religoins, that people say many convert too...is also on the verge of starting to lose to secularization.

Sikhs can win many battles...but I fear, that no religion will ever win the battle against secularization to the dominant culture.

GushK · #21 (**permalink**) 23-Aug-2005, 23:22 PM

Though...inspiration, especially in a personal sense, is a very good motivator to encourage people to change. Our Guru's understood this only too well thus became a living and personal inspiration to everybody.
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I'd say, seeing the Khalsa's going into battle and laying down their lives, would become an inspiration to the people around them in how they should model their OWN lives....works both ways hunna?

Regards
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Hardeep LOL · #22 (**permalink**) 01-Sep-2005, 17:15 PM

I disagree to some extent, as a sikh boy (haircut) I know almost everything about my religion and other religions. This is because I have the desire to know. If the sikh youth have no desire in the u.k. about their religion then that is up to them, that is their freedom.
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Personally you are right about not enough youth are interested, but saying that alot of youth are interested and are affiliated with a number of organisations, i know this from my own city coventry. The youth in the u.k. that do know sikhism put to shame the youth in india, they haven't a clue and do not seem interested instead they try to be more westernised.

One of the problems of the sikh youth in the u.k. is there is not enough education for them. for example you walk down the street in an asian area and almost certainly you will see flyers for speeches and discussions inviting islamic youth of u.k. and these are held in english. How many sikh discussions are there in english on a widescale? hardly none, we have sikh camp and thats about it, we need education in english in every city. the gurdwaras keep telling us to become interested, but then seem only to satisfy the 2nd generation who come from india where does that leave us?
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K_51NGH · #23 (**permalink**) 01-Sep-2005, 20:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardeep LOL

I disagree to some extent, as a sikh boy (haircut) I No almost everything about my religion and other religions. This is because I have the desire to no. If the sikh youth have no desire in the u.k. about their religion then that is up to them, that is there freedom.
Personally you are right about not enough youth are interested, but saying that alot of youth are interested and are affiliated with a number of organisations, i no this from my own city coventry. The youth in the u.k. that do no sikhism put to shame the youth in india, they haven't a clue and do not seem interested instead they try to be more westernised.

One of the problems of the sikh youth in the u.k. is there is not enough education for them. for example you walk down the street in an asian area and almost certainly you will see flyers for speeches and discussions inviting islamic youth of u.k. and these are held in english. How many sikh discussions are there in english on a widescale? hardly none, we have sikh camp and thats about it, we need education in english in every city. the gurdwaras keep telling us to become interested, but then seem only to satisfy the 2nd generation who come from india where does that leave us?
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!

Thank you hardeep, rightly said! I mean everyone knows the Gurudwara Committees.. How THEy behave! Treat Gurudwara as thier income, as their PROPERTY. WAHEGURU. TO my knowledge, they don't really care about the youth.

And on top of that, I noticed that only two types of people stay in the Guru Ghar. Old retired poeple who talk about their own young life who about others (including chuglai) and little children who run around the place. The youth are usually outside chatting about Bhangra/Bollywood or Girls/Boys.

I hope that in the future... the Punjabi Culture will spearate form the SIkh religion.. in the minds of people. BEcuase this, in my views, is the main cause.

harpreet kaur · #24 (**permalink**) 06-Oct-2005, 10:59 AM

this sort of biased behaviour is qhat cofuses the youth of today, if our religion lys down strict guidelines they should be followed, however forget about fathers and brothers abusing alcohol, its known for a a fact that the niang singhs of sikhisim consume a more local form of booze called 'bhang', i dont really think restarint is what they were telling us, its more like dont abuse it. i feel that somewhere along the line between the first and the last guru, the message was lost

drkhalsa · #25 (**permalink**) 06-Oct-2005, 13:49 PM

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feel that somewhere along the line between the first and the last guru, the message was lost

Dear Kaur ji

It would be more helpful if you can elaborate this point of your

Jatinder Singh

K_51NGH · #26 (**permalink**) 06-Oct-2005, 21:48 PM

huh?! the message was NOT lost. the message was lost as soon as Guru Ji became in a different form. We as Sikhs are so pathetic we fail to see Guru Ji as a Guru rather than a "book". You cant just blame Guru Ji for what his Sikhs are doing.. its our OWN fault!!! So please, dont insult Guru Ji

They were 1 JYOT, all were Guru Nanak DEv Ji..
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DHAN GURU NANAK!!

rosethorne · #27 (**permalink**) 12-Oct-2005, 11:47 AM

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DEAR DrKhalsaji, It is not a fault of a single person. It is being heard from my childhood. I'm at 31st step of life. The only Thing I want to say that This thread has the very true topic. Harpreetkaurji elighten the facts of the common Sikh's house. But she is not aware that how much is she confused herself by herself or by her mother, who taught her like this. It is very much disturbing to a Gursikh when a Sikh can draw a line in between 10 GURUS. The more common fact is that we are not aware of our state of mind. But we can talk about the difference between GURUS. How can a Sikh achieve the high spiritualism, If we are not opening our soul towards Waheguru, Materials of today's world are distracting us from that. We must have the knowledge of our GURUS and must we surrender to supreme. So many answers we can find in ourselves but anyone can be Giani but sometimes in life one have to open his mind by listning to a person. IN Japji Saheb Guru Nanakji said, Kahte pavit, sunte puneet. Just look at the message of Harpreetkaurji, this states the confusion of Sikh Girls.