Sikh Names

Please, please can you discuss the pros & cons of yoga on another thread?
I would appreciate some help and wise advice on Sikh personal names for Global Sikhs. Other religions require converts to change their first names; Sikhi requires the last. Is this perhaps the reason that converts change their first names? Are we falling into a trap by imitating other religions?

Actually jios,

I think futurekaur ji has a point. The conversation has been interesting, but she was hoping to get some specific questions discussed and possibly understood.

Maybe, if you are willing, a mod could create a thread and move these yoga discussions over.

I may have fallen short on my duties -- not to have moved the discussion of Sikh names forward.

What do you discussants think?

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

All Yoga discussions have been moved to a new thread - Yoga in Sikhism.
Kindly post all Yoga articles, comments, views on the new thread. Here's the link :
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...n-sikhism.html (Yoga in Sikhism)

~ namjap ~

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More on Sikh Names :

Sikh Names*-*A Gateway to Sikhism

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that's a great site Namjap ji;
Actually the names are very meaningful ; kamaljot, livsharan, rasjeevan, guroop etc which is why this is a matter of discussion . From your sharing this archive, I think your opinion is that on taking Amrit one should take Hukamnama from the Guru and have the Panj Piare give you a new first name. Anyone else?

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AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY
aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||

-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well.
SSGS p. 1301

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRT7Y3112M

NamJap ji

Thanks for following up with that idea. I saw that you created a thread earlier today to house the yoga discussions. Now you have moved them. The yoga discussions are important enough actually to deserve their own thread.

Back to futurekaur ji,

My own opinion is that it is a good idea to stick with the tradition of taking a hukamnama and then the Panj Piaaree select the name. Actually, I think they look at the first letter of the first word, and suggest several names. Then one is identified as the best. This is the way to go because it cuts out the kind of weirdness that inevitably enters the situation when new age strategies are used. It eliminates the ego aspect -- the hukam is drawn and the shabad becomes the basis for the name. So in essence the shabad finds you and you find the shabad through the new name. But again, sometimes my opinions are dreadfully old hat.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

Futurekaur Ji,

I can figure out the meanings of a few names but Ekmusafir would be a better person to give a clearer understanding of the names. For example I understand Kamaljot to mean Light within the Lotus of the heart. But this is merely my shallow understanding.

I also want to know about names having an effect to the individual's karma - the modus operandi like vibration count, frequency or numerology, etc. Kindly throw some light on the subject.

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I found this opinion to be very centered and spiritual explanation. Actually the Panj don't pick out a name for you unless you can't think of one, but the name should fit the first letter of the hukamnama as per Sikh tradition. I didn't want to pick a name so I had a 2 friends who were there and all agreed and decided, the Panj accepted it and as you say, what a blessing to let the shabad find you. Especially in the power of that moment of amrit sinchaar, the vibrations are very high and you feel close to Guru. I really do believe in this way the Guru is speaking and handing you something personal in the name as a quality. Since the Shabad is the Jyot of Vaheguru, the vibration of the name has a quality of beej mantara. You become known as this holy quality, and no longer the former identity.

~Bhul chak maaf

Harjas ji,

Yours is a much better explanation of finding one's true name. The personal attention of the Guru-- an awesome description.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

Aad ji I don't think that is old hat at all. Ego is such a big thing, much better to let the Shabad find you, put so well. Harjas ji, that is so inspiring! Thank you for sharing your personal experiences.
Did you request to take Hukam for your name or is it normally done at Amrit....

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AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY
aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||

-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well.
SSGS p. 1301

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRT7Y3112M