I am Confused Whether Allowed to Eat Non-Veg

@findingmyway
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If you look back a few pages i did quote gurbani.


Deletions: Debate issues not personalities. Thanks, spnadmin


You also said that my arguement:

'but then explain to me this, why are there people out there saying its wrong if its supposed to be normal??'

was weak, but yet you still have not managed to answer my question, but instead replied with a whole other bunch of questions, if it was so easy why dont you answer it then?? because truth always prevails.

 
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I haven't had time to read through this thread but conceptually, I must say I find this sort of debate fairly pointless. It's just my personal view and no offence intended to anyone

Aside from the fact that Findingmyway Ji made an excellent argument about the distinction between intoxicating substances and food, on a deeper level what is Sikhism about? What is the overall objective? Do all vegetarian Sikhs practice the faith diligently everyday? Do they do their daily meditation? Are they without exception always people of good moral character?

I've often come across vegetarians in other faiths, e.g Radha Soami, who regard this as a significant personal sacrifice that elevates them above the weak meat eaters who will never achieve salvation!
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I prefer to take people on their character and actions and not on what food they consume.....

findingmyway said that there is a big difference between food and intoxicants. However, even food is a intoxicant, you are dependent on food, it releases endorphines in your brain. It can be classed as a drug, as what you eat can alter your mind just like a drug.
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The deleted comments are essentially duplicates of earlier points. The deleted questions have already been addressed by Gyani ji and Jasleen ji in earlier posts.

(ive got a feeling spnadmin might edit or delete this post, so just in case you are going to, can you ask me first this time?)

I am sorry to have to put another admin note on this thread. Spam is usually taken to mean commercial ads, links to commercial sites. However, constantly repeating the same points after they have been addressed, same questions after they have been answered, is also spam.
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Please use the focus questions if you are having difficulty deciding how to reply to this thread. Please do debate issues not personalities.

@wth ji. Please consider this my final warning to you.

If you actually read my posts, i am making different points, some points may be on a simliar issue, as i am replying to somebody that has replied to me. It is human nature to respond. If i am repeating the same point, can you show me? instead of just telling me...........

And can i just say, in case you take this post as 'offence' again, although i dont see where? just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are insulting you, unless that person deems themself to be the centre of the univerese. Spnadmin your 'rullings' (im not using the word opression in case you find that offensive, as im not sure what is offending you..) are like that of America, and how its walking around and interferring in other peoples countrys claiming it to be an 'act on the war on terror'. Is this not a Sikh forum? i thought it said at the top, 'to recognise the human race as one'?? i think that means being fair in how you treat everyone on here? you may not see me eye to eye on points but does that mean i should not post? please reply to this...i am confused..

but i am not gyan ji or jasleen, im asking a question that is all. Since i am not gyani ji or jasleen, how is this spam? if i said this point earlier and repeated it for no reason, then i can understand, but if someone else said it and i did not read it, why are you just 'dismissing' my posts??? is this how you normally moderate??

I have a suspicion, you are deleting my posts as you dont want me to post on here, and are finding a excuse to remove me as a member, is this true?? or am i looking into it too much? because that is the vibe i am feeling here.

do you not normally get new posters on heree? like myself?? if you get new posters your bound to get simliar points being raised, that doesnt give you the right to delete them because 'you've heard them all before' im new here, ive been on other non'religious forums, and non of them have moderated like this, so that is why i ask.

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with this argument.

Biological dependency is not the same
We need oxygen .. oxygen goes into our blood and to our brain..is it a drug? Is it intoxicating?

I disagree food can be classed as a drug unless it contains intoxicating ingredients like magic mushrooms!

It isn't a question of whether it causes chemical reactions. The question is what is the impact of those chemical reactions? Do they weaken a person's self control?

We can see the effects of people getting high on drugs or on alcohol
I don't think I have ever seen anyone getting high on just food

But like I said in my previous post, I see no real value in getting bogged down on this

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The reason why we dont see the effects of getting high on food, as everyone eats it, we dont see any abnormalities about it.

Caffeine is also a drug and almost everyone does it, there are no real visible effects of that either.
Furthermore, we are not biologically dependent on food really are we?? there have been cases of 'saints' or 'sadhus' who feed of air, not food or any solids. Foods are a drug, a very strong drug that we are dependent on.

I think a drug is defined as something that when taken can alter the mind and body when taken, and can cause dependency or something?? my minds are bit dusty on that, but it was along those lines i reckon?? im pretty sure food follows that definition, although you can correct me if im wrong though.

In that case;
1) If you believe they are the same why do you eat food?
2) I can't live without food as I am already underweight so please direct me to the self help group for addicts to food!

Food does not change your mental state in the same way as intoxicants so the effects are not comparable. However, if you show me scientific evidence to the contrary I will be happy to change my stance and stop eating