Sikh Wars

BhagatSingh · #1 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:15 AM

Battle of Saragarhi

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"The Battle of Saragarhi was fought during the

on

between twenty one

of the 4th Battalion (then 36th Sikhs) of

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of British

India

, defending an army post, and 10,000

Pashtun

and

Orakzai

tribesmen in a

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. The battle occurred in the North-West Frontier Province, now a part of

Pakistan

, which then formed part of

British_India

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Battle_of_Saragarhi

Now I found many resources on Sikh soldiers but none on the Afghan and Orakzai tribesmen. Anyone have any idea where to look, etc?

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I have a question about battle of Chamkaur. Is it possible that at least one for the 40 soldiers was a female?
I am doing another painting on the what I pictured as the Battle of Chamkaur but with a female centered battle scene. So any resources/illustrations on the battle are appreciated. The haveli for instance, what would it look like?

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Thanks,
Bhagat Singh

Narayanjot Kaur · #2 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

I have a question about battle of Chamkaur. Is it possible that at least one for the 40 soldiers was a female?
I am doing another painting on the what I pictured as the Battle of Chamkaur but with a female centered battle scene. So any resources/illustrations on the battle are appreciated. The haveli for instance, what would it look like?

Thanks,
Bhagat Singh

I am wondering why your are asking the question. Just read through about 5 descriptions of the battle on the web and found nothing regarding women among the Guru's troops But will keep looking.

BhagatSingh · #3 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

I am wondering why your are asking the question. Just read through about 5 descriptions of the battle on the web and found nothing regarding women among the Guru's troops But will keep looking.

Hmm... I also haven't read about women being in that battle but I didn't read anywhere that it was just men.

Narayanjot Kaur · #4 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:39 AM

On the haveli

Sikh accounts on the net describe an haveli as a small fort. However I discovered that "haveli" refers to an architectural structure brought to Northern India by the Mughals. These were very large houses with inner courtyards and exterior balconies. They were enclosed on all sides. The description makes them good candidates for the kind of "fortress like" building where one could stay in a protected space, keep watch, aim from a higher altitude behind the enclosure, and send small contingents of warriors for periodic sortis. If you notice the balconies to the extreme right. They are perfect for sharpshooters who can pick off an opponent from above and then retreat into the shadows.

So I don't know but these seems logical to me.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

View of a typical Haveli at Jaisalmer, Rajasthan

Haveli (Urdu: حویلی, Hindi: हवेली) is the term used for a private residence in Pakistan and North India. The word haveli is of Persian origin, meaning "an enclosed place". The havelis of Pakistan and north India follow the Islamic style of architecture and usually contain a courtyard often with a fountain in the centre. The old cities of Lahore and Delhi have many fines examples of Mughal-style havelis.

The term Haveli was originally used by the Vaishnava sect to refer to their temples in Gujarat. In the northern part of India havelis for Lord Krishna are prevalent with huge mansion like constructions. The havelis are noted for their frescoes depicting images of gods, goddesses, animals, scenes from the British colonization, and the life stories of Lords Rama and Krishna.
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Later on these temple architectures and frescoes were imitated while building huge individual mansions and now the word is popularly recognized with the mansions themselves. Between 1830 and 1930, Marwaris erected [1] buildings in their homeland, Shekhawati and Marwar. These buildings were called havelis. The Marwaris commissioned artists to paint those buildings.
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The havelis were status symbols for the Marwaris as well as homes for their extended families, providing security and comfort in seclusion from the outside world. The havelis were to be closed from all sides with one large main gate.

BhagatSingh · #5 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:44 AM

Aad ji is that the inside of the haveli or the outside? and how old is it?

Oh.. any idea what happened to the original haveli?

Narayanjot Kaur · #6 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:49 AM

That is the outside of a haveli. At first I was not sure, but then googled Inside of a haveli and this pic turned up. I can't paste it in the window. You can see it at this link:
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Inside Purani Haveli India Daily Photo - India | Visually | Everyday

Narayanjot Kaur · #7 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:53 AM

This one is the best. It seems that the havelis were personal forts -- palaces and forts.

Jodhpur - India, Råjasthån
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One of several Havelis or Palaces within the Fort walls. All have orantely carved windows with a blending of Persian and Hindu elements.

Narayanjot Kaur · #8 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

Aad ji is that the inside of the haveli or the outside? and how old is it?

Oh.. any idea what happened to the original haveli?

I cannot find dates, but the eye-ball test for the first picture tells me that it was constructed in the 1700's. The havelis are expensive to maintain and many are no longer standing. No problem... I am intrigued by this project ...Will keep in touch with the thread.

Narayanjot Kaur · #9 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2008, 03:59 AM

More haveli's

Bhagat ji -- This series of havelis shows them to be palatial. The havelis at these links have been restored as heritage hotels by prosperous business men. That gives an idea of how attractive they are in Indian history, but also how difficult to maintain in today's economy

Google: samode+haveli

Google: alsisar+haveli

Google: mandawa+haveli

Google: kankarwa+haveli

Google: amet+haveli

Google: amarya+haveli

Google: pal+haveli

Google: karohi+haveli

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The interior architecture is exquisite. Can you imagine how splendid they were in the times of the Gurus. And think of Nanak's shabads in which he tells us that even these magnificent palaces will not make us happy.