Pain and Suffering

Sitting as we do in our own comfortable environments can we truly feel the suffering of those for whom we pray when we do our Ardas.
I say that pain is unique to those who are suffering or going through the hardship, the rest of us, yes we may feel compassion if only briefly but can we really do something greater and pray harder if not for just one person to ease their passage in life.
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I have started to pray simply every day for a friend who needs a job, every day I have said "Dear God, I may not be going through his pain, but in my Ardas help him find a new job".
I will continue to pray until this comes becomes reality.
Just wanted to received other users thoughts in relation to this topic.
Rahamt

 
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Praying for others is always praise worthy, look what Guru ji says, read on

ਜਗਤੁ ਜਲੰਦਾ ਰਖਿ ਲੈ ਆਪਣੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 853)
Jagaṯ jalanḏā rakẖ lai āpṇī kirpā ḏẖār.
The world is going up in flames - shower it with Your Mercy, and save it!
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Dear Virji,
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I always start the day thinking not what can i do for myself but what can i do to reduce the pain and suffering of at least one individual today.

Dear Rahmat,
I agree with you that by simple praying itself for anyone who is in need of help would
be answered by His Grace.The most important things is that we must pray whole
heartedly with heart felt love and to the best that is where GOD hears our prayer.

I sometimes question that when going through a difficult time myself, why do I or should I continue to pray for others when in fact my own prayers seem to go unheard. It is then with the fear and love of Akal Purakh Ji I remind myself oh Lord should you so choose things could be a lot worse but this bitter pill is there as a medicine and when I read the first line of the Rahas Sahib path the truth is driven home.
Though it is difficult to pray and stray strong when going through hardship yourself; after all we are only human.

Is it because you feel compassion and do not feel separated from another person?

Yes I do feel compassion and I pray that Akal Purakh Ji continue to gift this treasure but feeling compassion and not doing anything to assist the suffering, well I might as well not do my prayers, because I have to put into practice that compassion and match that with action albeit in what ever way I can to assist the individual who is suffering.
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But again the question is raised, can we ever truly feel the suffering of others or does it merely dwell in our ming and thoughts for a temporary moment until our mind then begins to focus on other things ?

ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
बिलावलु महला ५ ॥
Bilāval mėhlā 5.
Bilaaval, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਾਰਜ ਭਏ ਰਾਸਿ ॥
सिमरि सिमरि पूरन प्रभू कारज भए रासि ॥
Simar simar pūran parabẖū kāraj bẖa▫e rās.
Meditate, meditate in remembrance of the Perfect Lord God, and your affairs shall be perfectly resolved.

ਕਰਤਾਰ ਪੁਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਵਸੈ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
करतार पुरि करता वसै संतन कै पासि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Karṯār pur karṯā vasai sanṯan kai pās. ||1|| rahā▫o.
In Kartaarpur, the City of the Creator Lord, the Saints dwell with the Creator. ||1||Pause||

ਬਿਘਨੁ ਨ ਕੋਊ ਲਾਗਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਪਹਿ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥
बिघनु न कोऊ लागता गुर पहि अरदासि ॥
Bigẖan na ko▫ū lāgṯā gur pėh arḏās.
No obstacles will block your way, when you offer your prayers to the Guru.

ਰਖਵਾਲਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਰਾਇ ਭਗਤਨ ਕੀ ਰਾਸਿ ॥੧॥
रखवाला गोबिंद राइ भगतन की रासि ॥१॥
Rakẖvālā gobinḏ rā▫e bẖagṯan kī rās. ||1||
The Sovereign Lord of the Universe is the Saving Grace, the Protector of the capital of His devotees. ||1||

ਤੋਟਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਕਦੇ ਮੂਲਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਭੰਡਾਰ ॥
तोटि न आवै कदे मूलि पूरन भंडार ॥
Ŧot na āvai kaḏe mūl pūran bẖandār.
There is never any deficiency at all; the Lord's treasures are over-flowing.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਬਸੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰ ॥੨॥
चरन कमल मनि तनि बसे प्रभ अगम अपार ॥२॥
Cẖaran kamal man ṯan base parabẖ agam apār. ||2||
His Lotus Feet are enshrined within my mind and body; God is inaccessible and infinite. ||2||

ਬਸਤ ਕਮਾਵਤ ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖੀ ਕਿਛੁ ਊਨ ਨ ਦੀਸੈ ॥
बसत कमावत सभि सुखी किछु ऊन न दीसै ॥
Basaṯ kamāvaṯ sabẖ sukẖī kicẖẖ ūn na ḏīsai.
All those who work for Him dwell in peace; you can see that they lack nothing.

ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਭੇਟੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਪੂਰਨ ਜਗਦੀਸੈ ॥੩॥
संत प्रसादि भेटे प्रभू पूरन जगदीसै ॥३॥
Sanṯ parsāḏ bẖete parabẖū pūran jagḏīsai. ||3||
By the Grace of the Saints, I have met God, the Perfect Lord of the Universe. ||3||

ਜੈ ਜੈ ਕਾਰੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਚੁ ਥਾਨੁ ਸੁਹਾਇਆ ॥
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जै जै कारु सभै करहि सचु थानु सुहाइआ ॥
Jai jai kār sabẖai karahi sacẖ thān suhā▫i▫ā.
Everyone congratulates me, and celebrates my victory; the home of the True Lord is so beautiful!

ਜਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਸੁਖ ਪੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੪॥੩੩॥੬੩॥
जपि नानक नामु निधान सुख पूरा गुरु पाइआ ॥४॥३३॥६३॥
Jap Nānak nām niḏẖān sukẖ pūrā gur pā▫i▫ā. ||4||33||63||
Nanak chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, the treasure of peace; I have found the Perfect Guru. ||4||33||63||
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Rahmat Ji,

The above shabad is extracted from a compiled booklet known as Sangkat Mochan Shabad. The instruction provided is to recite this shabad 108 times per day for 40 days.

I have posted many chosen shabads in this thread -
300 Saal Guru De Naal.
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sik...de-naal-2.html

Dear Brother
Feeling for others is like taking a step away from” self centered will”, doing something for others without any personal gain or satisfaction, is a leap from that SELF that keeps its chains around us. If the feeling for others doesn’t exist, then only” Self’ dictates the actions whether to help or not because strings remain attached (to chosen actions). What you are pointing out, is a simple dilemma being experienced by the mind while on cross roads. You feel, you act, when you just feel without act, it is a mere mental satisfaction many times some love to have it. Lets take another example, people do charity, who want others should know what they do, or want to be recognized as “ generous” are not doing any thing for others, who do not care about all this” recognition” but solely follow “that feeling”( we are discussing) and doing some thing for others, are actual real doers.. So it depends now on what level of those feeling we harbor. Gurbani advocates to detour from feelings of recognition etc but obey His Ordinance and take those feelings as His Ordinance, nothing is there to seek for. Guru ji's prayer for all is /should be taken as an inspiration and acting in the same manner is what Guru ji asks from us. You are not far away, just more awareness is needed.