Hair and General Sikh Philosophy Study

matted hair and braids are results of long hair... I am starting to think that Iam wasting my time with this since your definition of long hair is completely different from everyone else's. Let's hear your definition so we can base arguments on that!
Singh ji HALF of the shabad mentions hair!! You are completely ignoring one HALF of a shabad. Do you think you have understood the meaning by doing so?
If you don't think it is talking about hair then it's a waste of my time to have to keep trying to look at it from a different perspective.

 
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I would have to disagree here about the hairstyle comment. These Shabads do not say anything about long hair. But they do say something about Shave heads, matted tangles, and keeping the hair in braids.

matted hair and braids are results of long hair... I am starting to think that Iam wasting my time with this since your definition of long hair is completely different from everyone else's. Let's hear your definition so we can base arguments on that!
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Guru ji is saying here that the ones that shave their head bald and the ones with matted tangled hair are unclean from the inside and outside. they waste their life in corruption but act holy from the outside.

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This Shabad by Bhagat Kabeer ji is not talking about what we are discussing;hair. If you agree we can move on to the next shabad that i want to look at and another point that was overlooked.
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Singh ji HALF of the shabad mentions hair!! You are completely ignoring one HALF of a shabad. Do you think you have understood the meaning by doing so?
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If you don't think it is talking about hair then it's a waste of my time to have to keep trying to look at it from a different perspective.

The shabad is only talking about hair when one is completely in love with the Lord and before that people are just using the shabad to say hair is not required in Sikhi because of this shabad. And in this shabad there is only one line that talks about hair rest is about duality and love for the Lord. Either way the shabad does not say keep hair or cut hair. So in the end it does not bring us closer to any side of the arguement.

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Originally Posted by Singh [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG] So what is your point here? huh? You said, " Yes question what you want but if you do not follow Guru ji then what is the use of all the answers. " I replied, "Did Guru Nanak (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) follow any Guru Jis? No, and yet he found a use of all the answers." My point is we can do the same.

Look Bhagat Singh ji in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it says a Sikh must follow the Guru and here you are saying we don’t have to follow the Guru. Even if we have all the answers we are still Sikhs of the Guru and the Guru is the connection to God for the Sikhs; without the Guru life is meaningless and all the answers to the world are meaningless without the Guru. Plus later on I asked you if you took Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as your Guru and you replied yes I do. But in the above comment you have said we can do the same as in Guru Nanak Dev ji did not have a Guru so we do not need one either if we have all the answers. You claim to be a Sikh but then go on to say this.
Please explain yourself hear.

Singh ji and others

Look at these 3 tuks reflectively -- together they suggest something about the foolishness of trying to use Sri Guru Granth Sahib to decide whether hair should be long, short, shaven, or matted.
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smJY sUJY piV piV bUJY AMiq inrMqir swcw: Samjai soojai parhi parhi boojhai anti niranatari saachaa: If one understands, realizes and comprehends what he reads and studies, in the end he will realize that the True God dwells deep within his nucleus (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 930).
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pVIAY guxIAY ikAw kQIAY jw muMFhu GuQw jwie: Parheeai guneeai kiaa kathheeai jaa mundhahu ghuthhaa jaae: What is the point of reading, studying and debating, if one loses the awareness of his very Source? (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 68).

dyv Byv n jwneI ijh byd Aaur kqyb: Dev bhev na jaanayee jih Beda or Kateb: The mystery of God is unknown to any Deva (demigod) and it is also indescribable by any scripture (Paatshaahee 10, Jaap 82)

If He dwells in the "nucleus" of our being, then surely He dwells everywhere. And if one is without hair He dwells in the hair follicles.

Singhhi, please, tell us in a concise way: What is the point you are making?

To put it simple as possible Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave a hukam that all his followers must keep hair and this Hukam did not just come for the Khalsa panth it was for the Sikhs also to never cut their hair from any body part. Furthermore no one can say it does not say this in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji so it don't apply to me. In the Sri Guru Granth Sahib it say there is: Ika Bani Ik Gur Iko Shabad Vichaar. Meaning from Guru Nanak Dev ji to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only one jot that lives in all. So what Guru Gobind Singh ji has said about the Sikhs applies to every Sikh regardless if they are apart of the Khalsa Panth.

Singh ji

Do you therefore think that Sri Guru Gobind Singh would reject, or denounce, or brush aside someone who had a deep spiritual relationship with Guruji but who did not keep hair?

Or do you think keeping hair is absolutely necessary for someone to have a deep spiritual relationship with Guruji?

BTW, the scholar T Singh who inspired my questions above wrote at this link that literal reading of religious scriptures of any kind is the mark of a religious fanatic. "Studying the scriptures, reading them to other people, and wandering around at places of pilgrimage, the disease (of false ego) is not taken away (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 905).
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http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart117.htm

What i think does not matter my opinion means nothing neither does anyone elses. The Guru has spoken A SIKH MUST KEEP HIS HAIR. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THE GURU THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT THE GURU ONCE AGAIN HAS SPOKEN HAIR IS A MUST FOR A SIKH PERIOD.

The ultimatum has been given!

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