God must love diversity because there is so much of it. I don't think there is anything wrong with the slightly different ways of coming to understand God.

Satjot Ji,

You said it so candidly anf its exactly what Guru Nanak did for Hindus and Muslims - gave them a new perspective about God.

I personally believe that all that is, is God. You are a part of God, as are the monitors we are looking at and the keyboard I am typing on. God is also all thought, the process of cause and effect, and anything else that can or can not be conceived of. It is unusual to find anyone who denies that God exists by that definition. Often, even the Christians come to agree with me on that after I ask them "Well, where is God? Isn't He everywhere?"

Satjot Ji,

I feel connected with this thought and perceive you as having a beautiful heart that is always looking to find perfection in everything that surrounds you.

I guess it's our perception that matters...

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Many thanks for this first link.. I would need also to have some contact persons who would agree to drive me deeper into Sikhism roots and faith in Europe but off cause in Asia also...
The project is still not launch (means some funds and producers to convince) but if you or any members of this forum can help me to find good contacts that will lead us among Sikhs communities, that would be really great...

To get back to the mean subject of atheistic reaction, I would also like to had that the word "atheistic" itself should be correctly understood.. there are the one who think that believing in any God is a stupid behaviour.. and there are the one that simply don't know...I might say I don't know what exists or not... and as being sure to know nothing, each meeting, each discussion and discovering of others who include themselves into a knowledge process is a wonderful adventure... That should be an important point to talk about...I have friends with whom I learn a lot...they are Shia Muslim, Sunni Muslims, Soufis, franc macons, Yezidis or Jews..they are living in Belgium, Irak, Afghanistan, Iran, Israël or Macedonia... but it doesn't matter.. there are first of all my friends.. and the hours who spend together discussing about our differences.. but also about all (so much) our common point (even if we leave in different side of the planet) is an everyday day delight... and I thank the existence for that...while some of them thank God the same way...
I really think that people minds are driven by the lack of knowledge but also by other means like mainstream media or political wills that give them only a part of the information...
Ask yourself how many times you are push to think that some people are like this or like that.. people that you don't know.. people who are living on the other side of the planet...
But if the medias says it, that's should be true, that's what many people are thinking...
But once you have to opportunity to go there, in Middle East or Asia, or South America... and to live with these people (not to stay as a tourist with your conviction) you realize that all you though to be right is only stupid ideas...
And you start to ask yourself why you thought that.. why you think these people were someway like 'barbarous person"... living in an old age... Cause you were told to...
That's why I think this could be change and people could realize how close they are.. that's at least, what I will try to do as soon as I can by directing some documentaries about the communities in the world and who they are really... I still have to convince some producer and find funds( don't like this part..)...Hope lots of other will have different project to insure a dialogue between the commmunities...
I know I'm a dreamer but perhaps not that much...What do you think??

I know I'm a dreamer but perhaps not that much...What do you think??

Flore Ji,

Watch this: YouTube - Bob Proctor on The Secret

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Namjap Ji,

Many thanks for your kind words. Such communication nourishes the soul.

Many blessings be unto you.

Hi Namjap,
Yes, I truely realised that we are connection with the world .. But it's sometimes not easy to apply this knowledge in my everyday life... somethimes it's like the link is cut...
Talking about that subject, can you enlight me about how Sikhism is considering the link between the human and the universe and how you live this in your today's life...apart from the texts...
Warm regards

One word - perception. Of course this has to do with beliefs. One has to have a certain amount of belief in order to pursue the concept of the linkage we feel connected with the universe.

Let me simplify this. When we see the stars, sun and moon up there, we have a perception about it which might not be a true picture. Through out senses, the existence of these heavenly bodies brings about the curiosity to learn more and compare notes.
But seen subjectively, the universe exists because we exist.

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JAPJI STANZA XXVIII

• Let contentment be your ear-rings,
  And endeavour for the Divine and respect for the Higher Self
  be your wallet,
  And constant meditation on Him be your ashes.
  Let preparedness-for-death be your cloak,
  And let your body be like unto a chaste virgin.
  Let your Master's teachings be your supporting staff.
  The highest religion is to rise to Universal Brotherhood aye, to consider all creatures your equals.
  Conquer your mind, for victory over self is victory over the world.
  Hail Hail, to Him alone,
  The Primal, Pure, Eternal, Immortal, and Immutable in all ages .

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i found an interesting letter from some atheists who are trying to find flaws in Sikhism (to debunk every religion), but can't find anything wrong with it.



SikhNet News Archive - Sikh Religion gets high marks from Athiest Society - 02/25/2008



Sikh Religion gets high marks from Athiest Society. News Source: http://www.sikhsangat.org

• Dear Ali, please help us. We were very impressed with your website and agreed that religion in general is no longer needed, we can all be humanistic and live in peace and harmony. We are in the process of making a website which will hopefully help to destroy the religious doctrines which divide humanity. We were doing great with knocking out Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Baha'i, even Buddhism but we have gotten very stuck with Sikhism. This religion is (to put it nicely) "a big pain in the ***" (Please pardon the language) We have only found one site which tries (very poorly) to argue that even this religion is not needed, but the argument is irrational and very unscientific unlike the very rational arguments you use.When we read the following from your website, we found what you said to be amazingly interesting: "Doubt Everything Find Your Own Light." "Last Words Dear friend, if you look for meaning in life, don’t look for it in religions; don’t go from one cult to another or from one Guru to the next. You can expend all your life or look for eternity and will find nothing but disappointment and disillusionment. Look instead in service to humanity. You will find “meaning” in your love for other human beings. You can experience God when you help someone who needs your help. The only truth that counts is the love that we have for each other. This is absolute and real. The rest is mirage, fancies of human imagination and fallacies of our own making." By Ali Sina Why is this interesting? Because we found this religion of Sikhism to be in agreement with you! This is why we have a problem. We tried to look at their holy text (Adi Granth) but didn't find the usual absurdities we found in the other religious books. In fact its refreshingly inspiring and very good!? Maybe you can have some better luck.
  
  We tried to visit a couple of websites and got more of a shock. Did you know that they believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. 300 years before the existance of the USA! Theirs is the only religion which says in their religious scriptures that women are equal in every respect to men. They even had women soldiers leading armies in to battle against "you know who" (The usual suspects - Muslims!) Their history is a proud one, they fought in both World Wars. Even Hitler praised them for their bravery and Aryan heritage! Dear Ali, this religion is hard for us to try and criticise but you are an expert and may find some faults overlooked by us. In their holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evoution process, big bang and life on other planets! This is pretty crazy and amazing stuff, who would have thought that these New York taxi drivers (There are lots of Sikh taxi drivers in NY) would have such an amzing faith? We read up some information of what Bertrand Russell had to say about Sikhism, this is the man who destroyed Christianity (same applies to Islam and Judaism) and exposed its absurdities, but even this great man got stuck when it came to Sikhism! In fact he gave up and said "that if some lucky men survive the onslaught of the third world war of atomic and hydrogen bombs, then the Sikh religion will be the only means of guiding them. Russell was asked that he was talking about the third world war, but isn't this religion capable of guiding mankind before the third world war? In reply, Russell said, "Yes, it has the capability, but the Sikhs have not brought out in the broad daylight, the splendid doctrines of this religion which has come into existence for the benefit of the entire mankind. This is their greatest sin and the Sikhs cannot be freed of it."
  
  Please bear in mind that Bertrand Russell was a great philosopher and free thinker. We have been trying for weeks now to find a way to fairly and rationally criticize and find fault with this religion but have failed. We even found out that there are many people converting to this religion in the USA and Europe as well as Russia (Mostly well educated and affluent white people). We tried to find some of their literature and see what kind of claims they make, but unfortunatley they have no missionary material as they do not have missionsaries! People become Sikh by learning usually by chance or by coming in to contact with them. They are currently the 5th biggest religion in the world and growing quite fast in the west and Russia. Please help us as we are stuck, to give you an example of they are all about we found the following websites: SIKHNET - Sikh Religion - Sikhism Information (This is a pretty good site and helpful) http://www.hope.at/sikhism (This site is very easy to follow, check it out, they have a Womans section and a Martyrs section, it looks like that you are not the only one trying to expose the falseness of Islam, Sikhs scholars did it hundreds of years ago and got killed for it!) The Sikhism Home Page (This is the site that was on CNN when Sikhs in the USA were mistaken for Arabs and Middle Easterners and were attacked by mindless morons)
  
  Please help us out, we cant make our website about religion being the cause of war and disharmony when we have this one and only religion which makes a hell of a lot of sense! lol (I thought Atheism had all the answers but were kind of stuck now.) We look forward to hearing from you, we respect your great views and want to promote them to everyone, thank you for your time, take care.

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That's cute, but to state the obvious, that letter was a joke. Also, if you look at the link, it was supposedly written by John Smith. The joke is incomplete without the punchline.

I apologize to all who find my statement insulting, but I have been told to always state what I find obvious because these things are not obvious to many people. I agree that if such things are not obvious to everyone, they should be stated.

oops, sorry. guess they fooled me.

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