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Old 03-Jul-2004, 12:06 PM
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God has no shape, form, or body. If nobody can describe God, how could the Gurus do that?
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No,

the Gurus admitted thatno one can describe God.

They gave pointers to some very important characterstics of God, that make him Unique and unconusable with any other entity.

Also Suggest that yopu read Mul Mantar and Jap Ji Sahib and Jaap sahib
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sodhi veer ji,

As rightly pointed out by FireStorm, Sikh Gurus defined attributes of the supreme power 'Ik Ong Kaar' or more commonly called God. There is just nothing similar to Him, to make an analogy, that s why called not describable.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/196-how-could-the-gurus-do-that.html

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The Guru's didnt describe what waheguru ji looked like.

they just told us that waheguru ji is beyond human, formless, shapeless...
they didnt say that waheguru ji was male or female. they didnt say that waheguru ji was a certin shape, or form or colour
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=196
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=196
they just told us that there is nobody anywhere that can match up to waheguru ji because we have a human shape and form, we are not invincible, we dont know everything.
the guru's were just telling us that waheguru ji is unique and cannot be defined.
there is no irony about it.
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Re: How could the Gurus do that?

All you have to do is look at three words of the English meaning of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji within the first line:


CREATIVE BEING PERSONIFIED

This makes it clear that whenever Waheguru is described with feet in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is done for poetic perposes, the creative being is personified purely to offer worship to him and describe his qualities, we as humans must learn from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and look for the deeper meanings.
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Re: How could the Gurus do that?

Jaap Sahib mukhvaak explains so clearly about the karma qualities of Waheguru. And complete Jaap Sahib is about ustat in different names. In the mukhvaak as below, Guru sahib says:


qÍ srb nwm kQY kvn krm nwm brnq sumq]1]

meaning of above is: You (God) has so many names, which are totally undescribable. O God, give me enough wisdom to illustrate the karma names at least. Jaap Sahib is full of Karma names. And Guru Sahib keeps on repeating that it is impossible to understand the creation and creator with our limited perceptions.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=196
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=196

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Re: How could the Gurus do that?

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God has no shape, form, or body. If nobody can describe God, how could the Gurus do that?
Dear Sodhi

It will become more easy to disscus thi sif you could tell us how you concluded that guru ji has described the god .

As i understand if you read translation of JAPJi Sahib And Jap Sahib it is has been repeated several times again and again that it is immposible to describe even a single attribute of Akal Purakh ( God ) Si there is no reason to think taht Guruji ever asserted to describe god fully in any sense

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Re: How could the Gurus do that?

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The Guru's didnt describe what waheguru ji looked like.

they just told us that waheguru ji is beyond human, formless, shapeless...
they didnt say that waheguru ji was male or female. they didnt say that waheguru ji was a certin shape, or form or colour
they just told us that there is nobody anywhere that can match up to waheguru ji because we have a human shape and form, we are not invincible, we dont know everything.
the guru's were just telling us that waheguru ji is unique and cannot be defined.
there is no irony about it.
Also, id like to add, in the Jaap Sahib, there is no describing of God and how he looks like, its pure praising, just like the Entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is. Sikhi is about Prasing God, not describing God.

nwnk kwgd lK mxw piV piV kIcY Bwau ] O Nanak, if I had hundreds of thousands of stacks of paper, and if I were to read and recite and embrace love for the Lord, naanak kaagad lakh manaa parh parh keechai bhaa-o. msU qoit n AwveI lyKix pauxu clwau ] and if ink were never to fail me, and if my pen were able to move like the wind masoo tot na aavee laykhan pa-un chalaa-o. BI qyrI kImiq nw pvY hau kyvfu AwKw nwau ]4]2] -even so, I could not estimate Your Value. How can I describe the Greatness of Your Name? ||4||2|| bhee tayree keemat naa pavai ha-o kayvad aakhaa naa-o. ||4||2|| As you have seen, God is indescribable, but you can praise him as much as you can, . ohyeah:
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God cannot be descried. The more we try to think we know what god looks like, the more we become confused and angry and we get headaches . Waheguru is the origin of everything. So everything is from god. Every single thing, every illusion is part of god. The problem i have is that, i try to visualise god, but i can't, because i know its not the truth. God is undescribable. Its too too too hard. Infact its impossible to see what god looks like. It may be possible to meet him through meditation but i dont think anyone can actually see what god is. Even the word god is nothing against the actual god. When we pin point something as one, and it is the strongest thing there is, we are ssatisfied that we are apart of it. We like to know that there is one thing that is all powerful so that we are not alone. God dont need to show us who god is. God is around its the origin, with no form, we cant even think about what god is. God is all powerful and the ultimate which we cant even think about. God is the most powerful word in this life. There is no ending for everyone. This is just a human life, which is in the originaters hand. Even if we die, we will still be in gods hands. Its eternity. But that doesn't mean we kill ourselves purposely. As we know that there is a god, we know that there is a meaning to earth, so we must meet this life efficiently, as god has commanded. God is the origin but we cannot visualise it. It is out of reach of our human powers. We can meet it, but can not see what it is or anything. Its hard!! Waheguru is our master
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