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09-Jan-2009, 13:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Singh  Aman Singh ji, what good are rules when they are not enforced. The text means nothing in this case. Go to the thread Sikhs in Temples on page 12 look what it is about Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Pure insults written by a member and nothing has been done about it. | Singh Ji,
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12-Jan-2009, 06:13 AM
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I was watching this documentary and they said how Buddhists believe that even God can be a source of unhealthy attachment. This accounts for their atheistic belief. So does Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stand a chance?... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/14899-sikh-girls-who-do-not-cut.html
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12-Jan-2009, 19:22 PM
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I think sometimes the line can becomed blurred for what is atheism and God. To be honest, the Buddha followers aren't following an abrhamic (christanity/ismamic type) God, and something more similar to what I think Adi Guru Granth Sahib is really projecting. I think the supreme energy/power/shakti is similar or even the same between what sikhs and Buddha followers believe in, it is just that our beliefs have become more towards this kind of God because of mistranslations or even just mere translations of bani, such as people like Mcauliffe, whose translations project a christian God. Some people say we believe in monothesim, but I think what sikhi and Ek Onkar really represents something more like monism, which is perhaps what Buddha followers believe in as well? Again, some Buddha followers, and even some learned sikh I know, actually claim to follow atheism, because they are rejecting the belief of an abrahamic deity god (that gets angry and stuff), but they are not rejecting a supreme power, and actually believe in Akaal and Ek Onkar, I think sometimes things aren't just black and white. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
Adi Guru Granth Sahib stands much of a chance, but only if we understand the real original meanings, (and Trump's translations were probablycloser to the meanings than Mccauliffe were) but the true meanings might cause paranoia in modern sikh due to the beliefs that have been programmed into them, unfortunately. Yes, Guru GRanth Sahib stands much of a chance, if we don;t distort banis meaning. Unfortuntaley even I* used websites to post translations of bani that are probably biased in some way. |
12-Jan-2009, 20:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lion_Prince_Jatinder I think sometimes the line can becomed blurred for what is atheism and God. To be honest, the Buddha followers aren't following an abrhamic (christanity/ismamic type) God, and something more similar to what I think Adi Guru Granth Sahib is really projecting. I think the supreme energy/power/shakti is similar or even the same between what sikhs and Buddha followers believe in, it is just that our beliefs have become more towards this kind of God because of mistranslations or even just mere translations of bani, such as people like Mcauliffe, whose translations project a christian God. Some people say we believe in monothesim, but I think what sikhi and Ek Onkar really represents something more like monism, which is perhaps what Buddha followers believe in as well? Again, some Buddha followers, and even some learned sikh I know, actually claim to follow atheism, because they are rejecting the belief of an abrahamic deity god (that gets angry and stuff), but they are not rejecting a supreme power, and actually believe in Akaal and Ek Onkar, I think sometimes things aren't just black and white.
Adi Guru Granth Sahib stands much of a chance, but only if we understand the real original meanings, (and Trump's translations were probablycloser to the meanings than Mccauliffe were) but the true meanings might cause paranoia in modern sikh due to the beliefs that have been programmed into them, unfortunately. Yes, Guru GRanth Sahib stands much of a chance, if we don;t distort banis meaning. Unfortuntaley even I* used websites to post translations of bani that are probably biased in some way. | Lion_Prince_Jatinder ji
You make some interesting arguments here. Some echo readings on Buddhism that I have done. One difference between Buddhism and Sikhi however is that Sikhism does accept the idea of "God" however abstract whose intelligence and energy is greater than all of creation. Buddhism does not see things this way, but does agree that the divine force is present in all of creation. It is a matter of being similar on many ways, but different in this one sense.
On this point I have a problem, (and Trump's translations were probablycloser to the meanings than Mccauliffe were) Trump was the Christian missionary and was openly negative, even hostile, about Sikhism. Macauliffe was a Sikh -- who may have gotten some things wrong -- but was not projecting an abrahamic view of God. This bias against Macauliffe dies hard and I can't figure it out.  Once this idea got into the drinking water it really spread fast. |
12-Jan-2009, 21:15 PM
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hmm that is interesting, because I thought Maccualiffe was the one who seems like a christian missionary, and Trump just done the translation without a missionary agenda.
Unfortunately I have not been able to read Trumps translations yet but I know a friend who has spare copies to sell, so hopefully I will have a look soon.
Mccauliffe, again I have probably not read but I thought that modern translations are probably influenced by him, but I need to say, the translations I read on most websites seem to project this protestant God where the words Guru ji has used are just quite generalised to just meaning God, which I think doesn;t portray the real meaning of what Guru ji is portraying.
Again, I thought that Trumpps translations don't portray a protestant God, and Mccauliffe's translations do portray a protestant God. That is what I thought, but perhaps I could talk more about it if I knew more.
Again, also about sikhi, we must remember that the actual european word "God" isn't used in bani is it now? We must also remember that for some people the belief of God is a man or being sitting in the clouds. That is why some people don't believe in a God, or rather just object to using the term because of the christian connotations. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
Then there's the term theist and theism. Polythiest term describes believing in many gods and deities of course. But monotheist becomes believing in one god/deity, or even one of these gods/deities. Again, the theism term decribes more of a deity belief than an supreme power. so again that could perhaps be a reason for some sikhs and Buddha followers claiming to be atheists. I beleive sikhi is more towards monism than actually monotheism, and I think Ek Onkar also projects this. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
I will have to research into this more, but some other time  . |
13-Jan-2009, 02:34 AM
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Well, what the discussion seems to be coming at is how you describe God. Athiests might say I do not believe in the Christian god but I believe in higher power. So from a Christian point of view they are athiests but from a different view tehy might be considered more like Deists. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
About Budhists, the attachment can come by meditating on God, this is not always the case but it is a possibility. They fix this by meditating on "nothing". But I guess if God is everthing (as we Sikhs believe) then God must be nothing as well... at this point I start geting a headache because I try to picture that. haha
So anyway, when looking at it that way, my old statement "even Gurbani can be maya", which I am bashed for, makes a hell of a lot more sense. That is what I was trying to point out taht even though Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji leads us away from maya, at times, it can be maya depending on how the individual relates to it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Well, what the discussion seems to be coming at is how you describe God. Athiests might say I do not believe in the Christian god but I believe in higher power. So from a Christian point of view they are athiests but from a different view tehy might be considered more like Deists.
About Budhists, the attachment can come by meditating on God, this is not always the case but it is a possibility. They fix this by meditating on "nothing". But I guess if God is everthing (as we Sikhs believe) then God must be nothing as well... at this point I start geting a headache because I try to picture that. haha
So anyway, when looking at it that way, my old statement "even Gurbani can be maya", which I am bashed for, makes a hell of a lot more sense. That is what I was trying to point out taht even though Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji leads us away from maya, at times, it can be maya depending on how the individual relates to it.
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So anyway, when looking at it that way, my old statement "even Gurbani can be maya", which I am bashed for, makes a hell of a lot more sense. That is what I was trying to point out taht even though Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji leads us away from maya, at times, it can be maya depending on how the individual relates to it.
| If this is true then it would be written in Gurbani. You and Loin Prince Jatinder need to present proof the above statement is true. So start presenting Gurbani
Gurbani is True, 100%. If a person see Gurbani as maya then that does not make Gurbani maya. This makes the persons mind maya. Gurbani is not affected by how an individual relates to Gurbani. Gurbani tells the reader the Truth and is the Truth and if the reader takes the truth as maya that does not make Gurbani maya that makes the person mind maya. I know i have repeated myself here, but this was purposely done.
Here's a tuk that say what Gurbani is. The Dear Lord is True, and True is the Word of His Bani. Through the Word of the Shabad, Union with Him is obtained. ||1|| ang 64 |
13-Jan-2009, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Well, what the discussion seems to be coming at is how you describe God. Athiests might say I do not believe in the Christian god but I believe in higher power. So from a Christian point of view they are athiests but from a different view tehy might be considered more like Deists.
About Budhists, the attachment can come by meditating on God, this is not always the case but it is a possibility. They fix this by meditating on "nothing". But I guess if God is everthing (as we Sikhs believe) then God must be nothing as well... at this point I start geting a headache because I try to picture that. haha
So anyway, when looking at it that way, my old statement "even Gurbani can be maya", which I am bashed for, makes a hell of a lot more sense. That is what I was trying to point out taht even though Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji leads us away from maya, at times, it can be maya depending on how the individual relates to it. Have I justified myself without offending anyone? | How have you justified? Since Buddhists say, so it is alright to call Sree Guru Granth Sahib Maya? Is the Buddhist- view the highest measure to judge other faiths? Any wisdom that tries to negate other spiritual experiences because of its own inability to experience that, is nothing but a game of words deemed to end in speculative statements. This faith totally remains unaware of those personal experiences that were documented in Sree Guru Granth Saib ji, and it holds no merit to justify what you are talking about in context of Gurbani. Who went to the moon are only qualified to describe it in accuracy |
13-Jan-2009, 07:20 AM
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Your words once more intrigue: "Again, the theism term decribes more of a deity belief than an supreme power. so again that could perhaps be a reason for some Sikhs and Buddha followers claiming to be atheists. I beleive Sikhi is more towards monism than actually monotheism, and I think Ek Onkar also projects this."
Again I agree with one part and disagree with another. Sikhism does believe in a Supreme Power -- Kartar Purakh(u). So in that sense Sikhism is not like Buddhism. Sikhism does have a monistic view of God and Creation, a "monistic" way -- as you say, Ek Onkar. But Sikhism is also without argument a monotheistic religion, Ek Onkar. Enjoying this dialog. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14899
There are similarities between Buddhism and Sikhism; however these points above would not be how I would outline the similarities or the differences. Also, though the comparisons are very interesting, if one were to continue this discussion it would be better to raise the comparison in the Interfaith Dialogs section of the forum, BTW. Otherwise the discussion goes off-topic. | 
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