Help - I want to cut my hair

PK70,
Yes, I am not a Sikh, but I harbour no prejudice toward other religion too. I do go to the gurdwara. I do have Sikh friends of both; with turbans and others are without, yet the later ones are no less Sikh themselves.

Dear PK70, first of all please try to uderstand the whole context before condamning me. Do take note of the "but" in my statement, and not leave any statement just to suite your answer. Read this: "I think if it doesn't do any harm to other individual it's ok to do just that - CUT YOUR HAIR. But the problem here is you are still under your parents guidance."

Here, very clearly I mentioned that "when one is still under a guidance", which in other words, one is oblige to listen to the guidance and pay a respect to them as the elders. I am in no way, want to nor wish to teach any parents...be they Sikh or not. I am here speaking as a human being "within reason" in trying to make some comprehension amongst the young people of these days and their beliefs.

We can always...always...impose all kind of restrictions on our youngs, but in the process please do not try to break their soul and spirit to live as an individual too. No two people are the same, everyone is individual, thus we should treat every person individually. Lucky if that young guy is an obedient person, but what if he has a rebellious soul? This young person's soul is kicking and crying to be heard and recognized, he didn't say that he dislike (and far from hating Sikhism), but with the iron bars...who knows how much he will try his strenght to break them??

Do remember that: Part of religion is about "understanding humanity" too. We have to recognize that religion is very much playing with our human sentimentality as well.
The young Nanak once said to a physician who attained to his being, "Certainly, nothing can cure one who suffers frpm separation from the Great Being who has given him the life, vigour and the power of speech, and who alone governs the universe." The physician was deeply affected by the speech and address of the little boy, and he commended them, giving his affectionate father to understand that the best remedy for the boy was to leave him to himself, to be the free agent of his own will.

Please do not misquote me here again. What I mean was that, do what you have to do...teach and advise...give love and understanding, and the end result should be of the free will of the individual. Please TRY NOT TO BREAK THE YOUNG MAN'S WILL.

PK70, religion can die and some die throughout history. Religion dies when there is no follower (astray or no astray). We cannot stay naive on this matter, just because we love our own religion so much. We may declare that there is only one God, but Sikh is not the only one religion in this world. To force your religion to the Muslims and Christians is just a dream. Don't be like the fanatic Muslims who go through every loophole there is to reside in the Christian land, and enjoy living within the law and rules of the Christians, and yet stubbing them on the back. To me, that's the biggest irony of a human arrogance. Human...pride...??

Religion grows. Guru Nanak started Sikhism less the Khalsa. Sikhism grows overtime till it reached to the 10th Guru.

Dear Singh,
I am not talking about fashion, trends or whatsoever, here. I am talking about humanity. It is true as what you say and believe, "Keeping your hair is saying to God I accept the way you made me and I am glad to be who I am, I am today."

But to some, is that the only way to 'say' to God? I see so many Singhs are without their long hairs, and yet they are no less Godless people. They love God as much, and some even more then those who keep their hair from birth. I am very sure many people in this forum (with sincere and honest heart) do agree with me. Cutting one's hair is not an illusion, but could be based on practicality.

Nothing is 'too late' in this world. People change, people evolve. We learn throughout our life. We made mistakes. We made sins. Yes, sins! We made amend. We change, and change, again and again...but God remains.

I've talked so much here, but last not least:
Dear Singh: If "cutting hair is an illusion", isn't life itself is the biggest illusion of all??
Eemmm...what is this body? Cut it, and it will heal. Deprive it from food, and it will replenish again. Heat it under the hot sun, and it will refresh again. All those can be done with a will. This body is nothing but an illusion. It is not mine, but...the house of God. I do not wish to distroy it, I just want to beutify it for God. I do not flaunt this body for just anyone, but for God. Because...this body is the House of God.

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Buddy u right u have the right to do so.
just find the right time to do so.
u r still under the guidence of ur parents, so u may have the act after 18 and then they must not be stopping you.

Lucy ahmed

You give pretty good examples why life can be one big illusion. Eemmm...what is this body? Cut it, and it will heal. Deprive it from food, and it will replenish again. Heat it under the hot sun, and it will refresh again. All those can be done with a will. This body is nothing but an illusion. It is not mine, but...the house of God. I do not wish to distroy it, I just want to beutify it for God. I do not flaunt this body for just anyone, but for God. Because...this body is the House of God.

First off why would someone cut themselves and why would someone deprive themselves of food? Before Guru Nanak came to this earth people did just that to meet God, and I cannot say that people have stopped in today’s time. This was one of Guru Nanak’s message rituals are useless. Cut yourself hang yourself upside down from a tree, do not eat for days or months or years, and/or bake yourself under the sun for days at the end you will not gain peace.


This body is nothing but an illusion. It is not mine, but...the house of God. I do not wish to distroy it, I just want to beutify it for God. I do not flaunt this body for just anyone, but for God. Because...this body is the House of God.

Lucy you want to beautify it for God. So in this sentence you are saying God did not make you beautiful? God made everyone beautiful and unique in his own way. To cut your hair you are saying look God I don’t like you giving me long hair and/or this facial characteristics, so you know what, I’m going to cut it off and/or where make up to cover up what I think you did not do right. So when you cut your hair it does become an illusion because when you are born you are born with a full head of hair( some are not God made them that way that was God choice) and if you do not cut that hair the hair keeps growing and you see reality of that hair. As soon as you start cutting that hair you create that illusion for yourself that you do not have that hair here or there, but in reality you do its just you have cut it to be perceived that way either for God or someone else and over time the hair grows back and you pick up the tools to cut it again. Accepting your hair without cutting it yourself or by another is one way of saying to God I accept your will, this is only one way to say to God I accept the way you made me and I am beautiful or handsome in this way.( This is a reply to all not just you Lucy so dont take it as if im attacking you here I just used you in the second person because it was the best fit in this paragraph.

In your pervious comment to PK70 you have stressed "I think if it doesn't do any harm to other individual it's ok to do just that - CUT YOUR HAIR. But the problem here is you are still under your parents guidance."

That is true you are in the guidance of your parent, but you are still under the guidance of the God. Something to think about before a person does something.

We can always...always...impose all kind of restrictions on our youngs, but in the process please do not try to break their soul and spirit to live as an individual too. No two people are the same, everyone is individual, thus we should treat every person individually. Lucky if that young guy is an obedient person, but what if he has a rebellious soul? This young person's soul is kicking and crying to be heard and recognized, he didn't say that he dislike (and far from hating Sikhism), but with the iron bars...who knows how much he will try his strenght to break them??

Sikhism does not impose a restriction on the youth( I wrote Sikhism here because I did not want to say no one because some people do impose restrictions on another). Someone is simply telling them this is what you are doing and you can be the judge if it is wrong or right and if you do not want to hear what I have to say you can simply walk away or in this case click the lil x.

Religion grows. Guru Nanak started Sikhism less the Khalsa. Sikhism grows overtime till it reached to the 10th Guru.

Lucy here you are right Guru Nanak did not create Khalsa, but he did not create the khalsa in that life form. I do not know if you know this, but from Sri Guru Nanak all the way to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib there was only one soul that lived in all the Gurus and it was the same soul just came in the different bodys.

PK70,
Yes, I am not a Sikh, but I harbour no prejudice toward other religion too. I do go to the gurdwara. I do have Sikh friends of both; with turbans and others are without, yet the later ones are no less Sikh themselves
Lucy Ahmed Ji
I mentioned none of the above as my views about you at all, why even to bring it here. You saw both Sikhs with turban or no turban, has this inspired you to make your views about importance of hair keeping in Sikhism for every Sikh family?

Dear PK70, first of all please try to uderstand the whole context before condamning me
Lucy Ahmed ji,
You are asserting in your posts that you have a big heart; however, how have you thought for a moment that I condemn you? I just suggested you that being non Sikh, it’s really doesn’t become you to comment on those parents who keep hair very dear to them.

. Do take note of the "but" in my statement, and not leave any statement just to suite your answer. Read this: "I think if it doesn't do any harm to other individual it's ok to do just that - CUT YOUR HAIR. But the problem here is you are still under your parents guidance."
Let’s start with this statement. “it is ok to just cut your hair” You are saying his/her parents are wrong and you are right. Obviously you are better in understanding than them.
Please also don’t forget what you kept commenting how a religion can survive. It was laughable too.

. I am here speaking as a human being "within reason" in trying to make some comprehension amongst the young people of these days and their beliefs
Lucy Ahmed ji,
Under peer pressure, youngsters want to do many things, over petty things they show rebellious behavior, does your suggestion solve the all problems.

We can always...always...impose all kind of restrictions on our youngs, but in the process please do not try to break their soul and spirit to live as an individual too. No two people are the same, everyone is individual, thus we should treat every person individually. Lucky if that young guy is an obedient person, but what if he has a rebellious soul? This young person's soul is kicking and crying to be heard and recognized, he didn't say that he dislike (and far from hating Sikhism), but with the iron bars...who knows how much he will try his strenght to break them??
You are mixing up things; individualism is very attractive word and can trigger a lot of problems. The youth is under peer pressure or under other influence, we don’t know him/her.

Do remember that: Part of religion is about "understanding humanity" too. We have to recognize that religion is very much playing with our human sentimentality as well.
The young Nanak once said to a physician who attained to his being, "Certainly, nothing can cure one who suffers frpm separation from the Great Being who has given him the life, vigour and the power of speech, and who alone governs the universe." The physician was deeply affected by the speech and address of the little boy, and he commended them, giving his affectionate father to understand that the best remedy for the boy was to leave him to himself, to be the free agent of his own will.
Do you understand the application of that story you just quoted? It is not about individuality thing, its about Guru Nanak’s strong love for the Creator highly misunderstood by the people surrounding him.

Please do not misquote me here again. What I mean was that, do what you have to do...teach and advise...give love and understanding, and the end result should be of the free will of the individual. Please TRY NOT TO BREAK THE YOUNG MAN'S WILL
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Respectfully let me say clearly that I haven’t misquoted you at all, my comments were strictly to an idea that a non Sikh should not comment on those parents and their religion(yours views as if religion doesn’t change…) the way you did. I wouldn’t do that kind of thing in the context of Muslim kids, like” meat is meat, why to worry about Halal, its just a way of killing animal!. I would be highly reluctant to do that even if I strongly believe in that as per your own motto” respecting others”

Quote “PK70, religion can die and some die throughout history. Religion dies when there is no follower (astray or no astray). We cannot stay naive on this matter, just because we love our own religion so much. We may declare that there is only one God, but Sikh is not the only one religion in this world. To force your religion to the Muslims and Christians is just a dream. Don't be like the fanatic Muslims who go through every loophole there is to reside in the Christian land, and enjoy living within the law and rules of the Christians, and yet stubbing them on the back. To me, that's the biggest irony of a human arrogance. Human...pride...??

Respected Lucy Ahmed ji, what are you talking about here. Big heart! Where did I write Sikhism is the only religion in the world? Isn’t it your own imagination? For Sure it is.. You wrote” To enforce your religion to Muslims or Christians is just a dream” Respected Lucy Ahmed ji, from where it is coming? You claim to have respect for all, please prove it where I and any other Sikh ever tried to force their religion on Muslims or Christians. Making up your own story, it is obvious your words are empty. Please don’t do that, I didn’t do this to you. We really don’t think that way even in our dreams. Rest assured. What arrogance? These words are used in what context?

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pk70

Dear Singh, hi..

First of all, don’t people take things as metaphore here?

Naaa…I don’t want to cut or deprive myself of food. But that “hang myself upside-down” sounds fun though, especially now that I’m being punched left and right, to-bottom, all round by our dear bro PK70. I wish my fellow-Malaysian Namjap is here to show me how to paste an upside-down orangutan pic for me here. We fellow-Malaysians have very good sense of humor I believe.

That mentioned “illusion” ward was actually started by PK70, so I just elaborate it further by concocting it to ‘life’. We have someone here who is specializing in philosophy, and I’m surehe would understand (don’t you…he knows who he is…Aaa..)

[By the way, what has happened to yours and PK70’s postings? Dear Moderator ji, why have you removed them? Now how I could I refer and rebuff to what PK&) has accused me off?? Dear God help me..]
Dear Singh ji (by the way what is this ‘ji’ means – is it Mr. or bro. as in English? – excuse me for the ignorance)

I must not apologize at every statement I made, as I believe we are all friendly forumers here. I remember just few days ago, I was Welcome here with open arms to exchange mind at Interfaith Religion. So here what I am for.

Yes, to be beautify it is, dear Singh ji. My fellow-women do that, including the Kaurs. Especially during their weddings; they don’t simply dress-up, but they cut, nip and tug, and then head to the gurdwara to be blessed for the union in marriage. I am talking about reality here, if not it must be an illusion in my poor head.

Inshallah, let the “one soul” lives on.

Still, I believe in individuality.
Individuality, as in an identity to each and everyone of us human beings.

Dear PK70 ji,

As I’ve mentioned, how can I rebuttal when somehow the Moderator ji has erasedyour previous posting? Now I am standing all naked here, without any foundation to base on. As for that I am not going to say much for by that it will only allowing myself to be incriminated without is shield at all.

I just want to say; I never said anyone is “wrong”, but based on reason, I tried to justified the sentiment of all involved.

Religion it is, the most revere, but let us not be blinded and lost all our humane reasoning. Every words in every Book of God is much revere by the pious and many ordinary followers, yet we are only human. Many times we “misinterpret” the true meaning. Words are vague, without the Real Writer/Composer to give the true meanings. They are just like abstract paintings, which were many times misinterpreted by people. Believe me, even good observers and critics can fail to interpret such abstract. So who can justify our human action, except God(?)

Thus here…I surrender to you…to fate.
Karma.

Posts were not erased Some of the posts of May 3 are gradually being reinstated. They were temporarily on hold during the software upgrades.

Admn will get all back in order.

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It is this individuality the has been tagged as Ego/Haume in Sikhism and we are strongly advised that we should be above this. Sikhs try to avoid being egoist/egotists and anything that has to do something with ego. We all try to ignore the element of ego. But we cannot say that we have come over it but still we all try to get rid of this. Entire life of a Sikh is spent in practicing the removal this element of filth that we carry.