Caste System in Sikhism

I would like to know if Ramgarhian caste is any lower than Jatt caste? If yes, then why?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/14462-caste-system-in-sikhism.html
would also like to know if a Ramgarhian boy is allowed to marry a jatt girl?

Please advise


----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------

Dear Sekhon ji,

Anyone who understands Sikhi would not have asked this question, as this is just against the tenets of sikhi, which abolishes such divisions.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462

Maanas ki jaat sabey eke pehchanbo.

Regards, Arvind.

How can I remove myself from your list of members?

dear sekhon

[Moderators Note: Please refrain from promoting sites, contains of which, goes against the basic tenets of Sikhi.]
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462

anyway main thing is not who is upper caste and who is lower caste
main culprit is ego of the caste.nowdays in india rich backward caste hindus don't want their children to marry in upper caste because their ego of the
caste has increased.

It's sad that some people will go to great lengths to uphold a man made and very detailed rehat, yet turn around and still believe in caste as a man role in decisions and life.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462

If more people read our gurus words, this would not be happening. Then again, we seem to think that a rehat is more easy to follow thant the Gurus's own words.

Gurfateh

Das is seeking a match nowdays.

But das will avoid the lady from the Hindu Mothers caste.But all others will work.As two swords can not reamin in one case.It may appear that two Khatranis or Kirhrans may figth with each others and make the life misrable for das.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462

Das is a product of mixed caste marrige among Hindus.So das is only craking joke on himself and do not take it seriously.

In india Jatt community seems to have an upper hand being Landlords. And because Ramgharias are in a minority and have to depend on Jatts for work. This true only in Punjab and in the Villages. It is nothing more than mindset. In the past, caste system was Categorised by the work we did or our ancestors had been doing which became family business and through generation after generation we gained expertise in those fields and we never thought of venturing out of those trades.

With more and more people venturing out of India to make a living, It is well known that these so called Jatts make both ends meet in the construction industry as labourers and have slowly moved up to acquire skills as Bricklayers and Carpenter. If Ramgharias are a low caste then why are these so called high caste Jatts working up to become Ramgharias. We all strive to work upwards, to be better than what you are. So now that the circumstances have changed, Can we now say that Jatts have become a low caste and Ramgharias are a higher caste ? Can the jatts retain their self imposed hierachy? A Sikh will undoubtedly say no.

As sikhs we are above this type of thinking. In conclusion, technically speaking, there is no difference but it is not quite so in practice. People need to be educated on this subject. Even those people at the top (our so called Leaders) ask them if they will marry their children into lower caste ? They will not. We sikhs are hypocrites, we do not practice what we preach. If we did then Dr Ambedkar would not have told his community (schedule castes)to turn their face away from Sikhism and become Buddist. This happened because SPC refused to take them under the Sikhism umbrella and accept intercaste marriages.

We all need to change for our survival and for the sake of Sikhism. We should practice what we preach.

As far as inter-caste marriages are concerned, there is no problem what so ever. We need youngsters to come forth and challenge this myth and break these invisible barriers. I have come across many such successful marriages in my own family circles. You need to be a strong character yourself. You need to be a SIKH.

Good Luck if you are in the game.

This old chestnut again.

Some very interesting comments.

My own study of the caste/racial system in Punjab has convinced me that both Jatts and Ramgharia's are basically from the same stock.

Prior to Sikhism, both were seen as a low caste. Both roughly had the same status.

As for Landlords and Jatts.........very few actually were landlords as such in past (see Dr Grewal's various books on this), and this has more to do with the decline of Mughal power, and the rise of Sikh Power (particularly in Punjab).

All this caste business amongst Sikhs has to do more with a mind set more than anything else.

there is no castes in sikhi!

caste is something that derives from the pindhs and shehra of India. the gurus abolished this and in its place stands all are sikh; not ramgarhian, not jath, but SIKH!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14462

So the answer to ur question is easy....yes, no matter what 'caste' you are, you can marry into and out of any caste because as long as you are both Sikh, you will have Guru ji's blessing.

I totally agree with Ambi

Take a look at the 'sikh dictionary' and you will find that caste is not written there, because there is no such thing in sikhi.