Disadvantages of Eating Meat

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

An excellent video on disadvantages of eating meat.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/14319-disadvantages-of-eating-meat.html

http://youtube. com/watch? v=ZzFC7QP628A&mode=related&search=

 
Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!

Propagandist nonsense.

Why are vegetarians so obsessed with what meat eaters eat?

Why don't they just mind their own business instead of bashing meat eaters all the time?

I could post here promoting the benefits of eating meat here too........how would you like that?

Infact I will!!

Dear Brothers and Sisters of the Sikh Faith,

Please stop fighting over whether one should eat meat or not. Our Gurus never ate meat and they have never encouraged anyone to eat meat either. There are numerous references against eating meat in the Holly Granth Sahib.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319

Eat what you wish but I say this from my own experience that if you are a soul progressing towards enlightenment or have the desire to do so, then abstain from eating meat because it becomes a hurdle in the the path spirituality and one shall pay dearly for these acts.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319

Jo karan ge so Bharen ge (I am doing it)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Dear Brothers and Sisters of the Sikh Faith,

Not true, no one knows what the Guru's ate…..however, the Bedi's and Sodhi's (direct descendents of the Guru's), are not vegetarians.




No there are not!!!

There are no such refrences, but Brahmanical influences have spun some lines to state a certain diet. Sikhism leaves meat eating and vegetarianism up to the individual conscience. See:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html



Nonsense……spirituality has nothing to do with meat eating. If that were so Jesus would be a devil.



If that is what you are doing then why are you making judgments against those who follow a different diet from yours? If you expect people not to question your diet and your spirituality then do not question other peoples.

leave this ********...dont you all see that this is tearing us apart from inside? we have so many different factions ranging from eating meat or not to kashera length...brahmical influences are the reason for most of our problems so let us deal with these "holy men" who have had the sole purpose of assimilating sikhism into hinduism...whether you eat meat or not is not effecting your spiritual side and it is your own choice...please stop this ongoing debate because im sure everyone is sick of it
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319
as an edit id like to remind everyone of the corruption the descendants of the guru's have fallen into and would wonder whether they would actually be a proper sikh as they use people's stupidity and ignorance for their own selfish greed. as well as their ego of calling themselves guru's so their stance on eating meat or not is essentially nullified concerning this discussion

Ranjit Singh ji,

One will have to draw a conclusion from your argument (Manmat) that either you are not sikh or if you were one by association then you do not yet understand the message of our beloved Gurus'.

If the decendants of Sodhi's and Bedi clans are non-vegeterians how does that reflect on our Guru's way of live and teachings. Do doubt our Guru's? Are you in a position to judge them?

I am attaching the hard work of one "Davinder Singh" who has toiled to compile the following excerpts from Our Gurus under the title "Diet and Spirituality. I now seek his permission to put this article on the board " for all those non-believers" (Wise guys) :

A mind that is attached to sense pleasures can never stay firm on spiritual heights. Out of all physical senses of man's body, the sense of taste (i.e., tongue!) is the most difficult to control. This is why people go out of their way to justify their heinous habits or Vaasnaa of indulgence in gratification of this sense. However, one of the most important disciplines necessary for linking with God is the control of the tongue exercised both in the areas of food and speech. The edict of the Gurbani (Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) is that without its control it is impossible to follow the path of devotion and become one with Waheguru, God.
·] ijhvw suAwd loB mid mwqo aupjy Aink ibkwrw ]
Jihvaa suaad lobh mad maato upjai anik bikaar - You are intoxicated with the tastes of the
tongue, with greed and pride; countless sins spring from these (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 616).
·Ye rasnaa too anras laag rahee teree piyaas na jaayi. Piyaas na jaayehorat kitaai jichar Hari raas payi - O my tongue, you are engrossed in other tastes, but your thirsty desire is not quenched. Your thirst shall not be quenched by any means, until you attain the subtle essence of the Lord (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 921).
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319
·Jitnee bhookh an ras saad hai titnee bhookh phir laagai - The more one feels hunger for other tastes and pleasures, the more this hunger persists (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 167).
·Mithiyaa rasna bhojan an swaad - False is the tongue which enjoys delicacies and tastes (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 269).
Material researchers (modern scientists) study and analyze the foods according to their physical properties and how they react on the physical body. However the spiritual scientists, who from ancient times delved in the spiritual science of foodstuff, consider the vibratory nature of food in determining what is uplifting, stimulating, stultifying or harmful when consumed. Hence, the aim of the true devotee is to purify himself of material contamination by nurturing his mode of goodness through pure and spiritually uplifting means. He knows that even the food he consumes, and also the manner in which he partakes of it, has its effect on the body and consciousness according to its vibratory quality.
Therefore, regulation of diet, company, sleep, etc., is recommended in the scriptures for the sincere seekers of Truth. Which is, for example, eat light and less. For that reason, a true Giani always eats light and less (Saatvic), as well as sleep less! Thus, he neither tortures his body, nor pampers it with sense gratification. Overeating or wrong eating is the enemy of meditative mind; eating insufficiently, on the other hand, leads to physical and mental weakness. Similarly, oversleep dulls the nervous system; not enough sleep produces a tendency to sleep against one's will. All of this is undesirable to the seeker of Truth. Baabaa Nanak Says:
·Kali hoyee kutte muhee khaaj hoyaa murdaar: In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat dead animals for food (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1242).
·Seel sanjam such bhannee khaanaa khaaj ahaaj - Humility, self-control and purity have run away; people eat the uneatable, forbidden food (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1242).
·Saad sahaj kari mann khelaaiaa. Tai sahi paasahu kahan kaaiaa. Mithaa kari kai kaurhaa khaaiaa - In relishes and pleasure, people play their mind games. When they approach You, O Lord, they will receive admonitions. They think it is sweet, so they eat the bitter (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1243).
Overeating, fasting, eating dead-animals, drinking, smoking, sleeping too much or too little, etc., is for those who are in the mode of ignorance or passion. Simply put: Give the body its due, neither pampering nor abusing or torturing it, and then forget the body! In a natural way (Sahaj), thus, as the inner consciousness becomes spiritualized through progress in devotion, selfless work, study of scriptures, and meditation on the Naam the body also becomes spiritualized; then its material demands gradually diminish, spontaneously.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14319
·Bin naavai mann tek na tiakaee Nanak bhookh na jaaee... - Without the Name, the mind has no firm support; O Nanak, its hunger never departs. The Guru has revealed the shop and the city within the home of my own heart, where I intuitively carry on the true trade. Sleep little, and eat little; O Nanak, this is the essence of wisdom (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 939).
·Alap ahaar sulbh see nidraa daya ke maakhan cheet - Eat less, sleep less, and keep your mind soft like butter with compassion (Paatshaahee 10).
·Naaty-ashnatas tu yogo sti na caikaantam anashnatah..... - There is no possibility of one's becoming a Yogi, O Arjuna, if one eats too much or eats too little, sleeps too much or too little (Gita 6:16).
·Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Bible, Methew 4:4).
Undesirable diet and Naam Simran do not go hand-in-hand. Therefore, for a sincere devotee, it's not even worth thinking much about foods, let alone eating much! Because, if one subjects his body to overeating, not eating enough, or consuming undesirable diet (dead-animals, alcohol, smoking, etc.), he cannot meditate! Thinking of relishes and pleasures is indicative of bondage, sense-slavery, body-consciousness, or "I-am-the-body" idea. The only reason we are placed on earth is to transcend the sense-slavery!
·Jag mahi aaiaa so parvaan. Gurmukhi apnaa khasam pashaan - By becoming Gurmukh if you realize your Lord, then your coming into this world is approved (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 867).
However, in order to transcend material consciousness or sense-slavery so that our coming into this world is approved, we are urged to become Gurmukh (spiritual being). And to become Gurmukh we need every help we can get — we need to regulate everything in life including diet, company we keep, and so on. Until we become Self-realized, everything we do is in sense gratification. Why pour more fuel on blazing fire! Therefore, if we want to ascend ourselves to the more uplifting mode of goodness and beyond, we have to get into the habit of eating good, thinking good, speaking good and doing good. Otherwise body and mind will end up becoming a depository of sensual trash!
This is why the Gurbani compares all sensual pleasures with a "mirage", an illusion. Why? Because the cause of Jeeva's bondage is enjoyment of sense gratification. Accordingly, we are warned throughout the Gurbani not to indulge in sense pleasures. Instead, we are urged to use the tongue in repeating the Naam.
·Harichandauree chit bhram sakheeye mrig trisnaa dram chhaayaa. Chanchan saath na chaaltee sakheeye ant taji jaavat maya. Ras bhogan ati roop ras mate in sang sookh na paayaa - Maya is a mirage, which deludes the mind, O my companion, like the scent-crazed deer, or the transitory shade of a tree. Maya is fickle, and does not go with you, O my companion; in the end, it will leave you. One may enjoy pleasures and sensual delights with supremely beautiful women, but no one finds peace in this way (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 803).
Our needs are few, while our wants are almost limitless. However, instead of ministering only to our needs, in spiritual ignorance we create limitless wants and then spend rest of our life pursuing the false pleasures. Slowly but surely, we then become slave of our senses. In this context, this article will attempt to reflect on the following:
·Deep-Rooted Habits
·Material Nature
·'Bhakh' And 'Abhakh'
·"Kill Your Ego, Not Other Beings": Says The Gurbani
·Effects Of Diet On Human Behavior
·Claiming To Be Equal To The Master
·On Vedas And Animal Sacrifice
·The Higher Taste: Moving From Animal To Divine Consciousness
Deep-Rooted Subconscious Habits
Instinctive mind is a bundle of habits or Vaasnaas. It is nothing but a collection of ever changing desires, notions or feelings arising from contact with gross objects. New habits are built into us from childhood. Some remain conscious and others enter our subconscious. Due to our habitual identifications with different objects, deep-rooted subconscious habits are most difficult to overcome.
A great one has said: "The power of habit is all supreme in the life of man. Many people go through life mentally making good resolutions, without ever succeeding in following what is wholesome. We usually do not do what we wish to do, what only what we are accustomed to do. That is why materially minded persons find it difficult to be spiritually minded even when they try hard. So also spiritual persons find it difficult to be materialistic even when they associate with materially minded people. It is not easy for vicious men to be good and it is hard for noble men to be mean."
Thus, the man is ruled by his deep-rooted subconscious habits. These habits, in turn, form tendencies, moods, and desires. Early habits formed in the childhood create significant influence on our growing up. These habits are generally formed watching parents, other family members, teachers, friends, etc. At early stage, if we are not taught to form spiritual habits, we are sure to form evil habits. Later on, the other factors that influence shaping our habits include environment and association. For example, undiscriminating association with the world creates bad habits in us.
·Jih karnee hovahi sarmindaa ih kamaanee reeti - You have made it your habit to practice those deeds which will bring you shame (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 673, ln 10).
·Kabir Ram na dhiyaayiyo motee laagee khor - Kabeer, I have not meditated on the Lord; such is the bad habit I have developed (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1368).
Mind is slave to routine, customs, and habits. Once mind becomes accustomed to a habit, it then likes to go on doing it. Eventually, habits become like "grooves" in which actions run. More a habit is indulged in, it becomes much easier for the mind to run in that groove. After more repetitions, it begins to enjoy it. After that, the mind never wants to leave these beaten grooves or path. Some of these grooves are the results of impressions of our past lives, and some are the results of actions of this life.
Once a desire comes up, the mind becomes agitated and finds no peace till the desire is fulfilled. In order to fulfill a desire, the first thing mind does is it brings itself into the action and establishes a groove or habit. Once a groove is established, like a locomotive, it does not want to leave the track (or groove ) on which it is set. All this is because man feels that he can gain everlasting happiness from never-lasting material objects!
Material contamination of our mind begins with bad habits such as taste for intoxicants, craving for foods not conducive to spiritual progress (dead animals, egg, fish, etc.), illicit sex, gambling, stealing, and so on. In fact bad habits such as illicit sex, gambling, and stealing are all linked to consumption of intoxicants and undesirable foods. As the saying goes: "We are what we eat"!
Hence, what we eat and drink has tremendous effect on an ordinary person's mind and body. For example, consumption of food such as meat (dead animals) and intoxicants are generally very pleasing to an out-going mind indulged in material life. Conversely, such a diet has certainly no appeal to a sincere spiritual aspirant. Thus, diet is a function of an individual's choice based upon his goal in his life, that is, does one want to become God conscious and go back to his Source, or, does he want to live merely a nonsensical life? God has given us the free will to choose between these two. By the way, there is no mid-way!

This is all from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that you cannot find.
I am not imposing this on anyone. Choice is yours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Ranjit Singh ji,

Firstly HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF MANMAT!!

The only Manmat here is by Brahmanical people like you. You have contaiminated Sikhism with your Hindu Vaishnav agenda. I am normally polite to people here but since you have seen fit to accuse me, I will reply in kind.

The only person judging them is you by saying they ate a specific diet. I can provide historical sources that confirm that some Guru's were vegetarian and some were not, but I will not.

As for the descendents......this gives us a clear idea of what the traditions were within the clan.

Again do not make accusations against me.

I can demonstrate clearly how incorrect Devinder "Singh"'s work is just from the first few lines of it.

The Sant-Mat propaganda posted by Ekh Musafir Ajnabi start with:

In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs;
they eat dead animals for food. They bark and speak, telling only lies;
Dharma and Vichaar have left them. Those who have no honor while alive,
will have an evil reputation after they die (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1242).

This is clearly a mistranslation. There is no mention of "dead animals":

Again, let us put this into context:


At first glance one notices that this paragraph is clearly a metaphor for people who behave like dogs. The dog is a scavenger, hunts in packs, fights within its pack, eats practically anything it can find etc etc. This entire Ang talks about people greed and those that lack honour when they are alive.
The second point to note is the mistranslation. Murdaar is not the word for meat. Murdaar is a reference to people who are dead. In other words people are acting so much like dogs that when people have died they gather round to get as much as they can. A good analogy would be inheritance, where is some instances people try and contest them or try and grab for themselves as much as they can. In India, it has not been unusual to murder siblings of inheritance disputes. In fact the word Murder in the English language has come from the word Murdaar.

If you wish to propagate falsehoods, then at least use verifiable sources, or you will be challenged. It sickens me to the stomach when people like you try and make the great Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji into a cheap a-la-carte menu of what we can and cannot eat...............this is no better than Sharia Law.

Ranjit Singh ji,

Your outburst shows the spiritual state of your your mind. It is a scientifically proven fact that "You are what you eat". You can twist the Gurus word to justify your actions/views.

I still stand by the following:

.




My spiritual journey is complete with the blessings of my GURU'S. I have nothing to gain from this argument of words.

As Bhagat Kabir ji said " Gyani ke hum Guru hain, Moorakh ke hum Daas".

However, I will offer you one piece of advice. Write on your practical experiences and not on hearsay or what someone else says. Seek the blessings of our beloved Gurus for the vision and guidance.

You are some piece of work


You accuse me of Manmat then have the ordasity of accusing me of outbursts.

The only person here twisting here is you, and I have adequately illustrated that by exposing your mistranslation and misreprepresentation. No need for further debate or argument.

...and it RANDIP Singh not Ranjit.......the difference between light and victory.


I need no advice from people like you.

You claim to be A Sikh.....then act like one and learn instead of imposing your view on others.

why is it that meat eaters are always so defensive of vegetarians and call them brahmins! we are trying to help u meat eaters from the goodness of our heart, what are u doijg for us? trying to corrupt our spirituaity and chances of merging with Waheguru? we're doing seva, we have nothing to lose, u have everything to lose, if u turn out to be wrong, this will hang over ur head for many more lifetimes. if we are wrong, it wont make a difference! , i really hope all u who argue against this know what ur doing because ur potentially false words may effect MANY people and their chances of salvation.......