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28-May-2006, 17:59 PM
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Dear bro, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html
soory for misinterpetations if any.Das never meant that you are attacking veggis rather deem das as your allie to attack vegtrianism.Das just wanted to say that in Genral not All Brahmins are veggis.In fact only Vaishnavites one are only like that. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Das got habit to eat meat daily only after lving in a Tamil Brahmin family for two years.Else das use to eat meat once in a weak.And they did serve beef to das.With then only das first time ate non jhatka machine killed meat.
Das thinks that it is halal that is not allwed and all types of meat can be eatern otherwise.As per Kahan Singh Nabha Also shoked to kill or hunted one can be eaten. Got anything to share on This Topic? Why not share your immediate thoughts/reaction with us! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views... Gurfateh! |
28-May-2006, 19:14 PM
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Originally Posted by randip singh Hi KDS,
We toyed with idea of adding some biological, humane, and practical arguments (like yours), to the article, but what we wanted to do was focus on what Sikhism said and what Sikh-History said. We wanted analyse practices of Sikhs.
Let me give you an example.....Christianity like Sikhism does not specifiy any specific diet Vege or Non-Vege........however there are many Vegetarian Christians........they are Vegetarian because of what their conscience tells them. They do not use Christianity to back it up. In Sikhism, there seems to be a strange need to back up a particular viewpoint through Sikhism. We have sought to dispell this myth (and I think sucessfully), that meat eating or vegetarianism has nothing to do with Sikhism.
What do you think? | i agree with you we should give them sikh perspective first. as the article is very long we should not add practical arguements.anyway i posted the article on sikhportal.com
vijaydeep singh ji just a question for you.what are the views of arya samaj,nirankari ,followers of ashutosh,on meat eating.
vijaydeep singh ji just a question for you.what are the views of arya samaj,nirankari ,followers of ashutosh,on meat eating.
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28-May-2006, 19:38 PM
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Arya Samaj is divided into two part,one which claims to be Hindu is pro veg while those who cal Arya Dharam greter then Hindus eat meat a lot. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Das thnks here you talk about Sant Nirnakaris,whhich are at loggerhead with Panth and not the true Nirnakaris(who still are there in few numbers in Chandigarh),Both are pro to jhatka meat but Sant Niranakris may eat Halal also. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Asutos Ji,preach that Islam,Hindusim,Sikhism,Christianity etc. all preach vegitarianism.For which they even tell lies also.They are vegis.
Das saw only one Baba with Ashram or Dera who supports non veg and that is Baba Virsa Singh Ji. |
29-May-2006, 03:03 AM
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Here is an example of some of the most lamest responses I have had about this issue....baring LK: http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?showtopic=14714
Just abuse...no counter argument.   |
29-May-2006, 18:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vijaydeep Singh Gurfateh
Arya Samaj is divided into two part,one which claims to be Hindu is pro veg while those who cal Arya Dharam greter then Hindus eat meat a lot.
Das thnks here you talk about Sant Nirnakaris,whhich are at loggerhead with Panth and not the true Nirnakaris(who still are there in few numbers in Chandigarh),Both are pro to jhatka meat but Sant Niranakris may eat Halal also.
Asutos Ji,preach that Islam,Hindusim,Sikhism,Christianity etc. all preach vegitarianism.For which they even tell lies also.They are vegis.
Das saw only one Baba with Ashram or Dera who supports non veg and that is Baba Virsa Singh Ji. | the anti hindu pro communist swami agnivesh belongs to which category meat eating or not meat eating. Quote: |
Originally Posted by randip singh | i posted the article on sikhportal and responses started coming in without reading the article.the problem is not vegetarianism but obsession with it.
they don't want to study sikhism with open mind
what their jatha,sant,samprada says about meat they just accept that with closed eyes
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29-May-2006, 20:13 PM
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The Debate is NOT about encouraging or discouraging meat/vegetariansm.
GURBANI warns about CHASKA....loosely translated as :ADDICTION: , "OVERindulgnece"..."cant live without it..type of thing. ON Page 15 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Sri Raag Guru nanak LISTS 6 such CHASKAS we all have....
1. Chaska of Collecting GOLD, SILVER, WEALTH, 2. Chaska of Having the most beautiful WOMEN around us..3. Chaska of Perfumes and scents for our Body, 4. Chaska of having the best horse, elephant etc to ride - Modern equivalent - BMW/MERC/Ferari/Porsche in the driveway even though we may have to skip meals to pay the monthly installment, 5. Chaska of having the best MANSION palace to live in...how we love to renovate and renovate ourselves into debt !!..and LAST on the LIST is ..Chaska of SWEET FOODS..and MEAT.
YES......GURU JI LISTS the Chaska of MEAT LAST..after one for SWEETS- laddoos, jalebis, barfis, khoa, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
IN WHAT WAY have our great SANTS and BRAHMGIANIS LEAPFROGGED GURU JIs LIST from 1 - 6....over everything incluidng the loads of laddoos and jalebis we eat daily...to hit the Brakes at MEAT..and choke on this. TO Guru Ji...meat is just one small CHASKA...the LEAST important of all. GO look at SRI RAAG Mahalla Pehla Page 15 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Are we Cleverer than GURU JI...
SHOW me ONE SANT who advises AGAINST GOLD COLLECTING...and I will show you HUNDREDS of such MANGTAH TOKREE DHOING SANTS..whose only mission in life is to Cover every Gurdawra done with GOLD, Plaki with GOLD..next will be GOLDEN Battas, GOLDEN Bhanddehs in Guru ka langgar...and GOLD Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
My advice..READ GURBANI yourself..veero ate bhenno...dont listen to half educated and uneducated people trying to push outdated and wrong beleifs down your throat...Maas Maas kar MOORAKH JHaggrreh..is GURU NANAK JI SPEAKING...not some half baked brahmgiani !! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Ask any medico..overindulgence in ANYTHING is bad...Maah dee daal gives soem bad knees...some foods give gas problesm to some...ghee is bad for heart patients...so and so on..GURU JI ADVISES..RESTRAINT..SEHAJ...GO SLOW....ON EVERYTHING..eating, sleeping...whatever we do. Even too much SAAG will KILL YOU..so use your god given brains..AAklle SAHIB SEviahn..says GURU NANAK JI again...
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29-May-2006, 22:19 PM
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take a look at the following post from tapoban http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.p...=82234&t=82234
Author: in sochna mood
Date: 05-29-06 08:34
bhupinder singh ji i too have a question for you my brother.
if a sikh eats meat they are bound by karma automatically to pay off the debt back in to charasi lakh joon. Such as a person eating a chicken will be born one in next life right? if muslims eat meat everyday, and even for days marked with observance for God how would they even advance up to any low form of heaven before paying the price of maas munching?
heavens compared to sach khand are low form but how can meat eaters even spend the next life in a place where they will not pay back this price of consuming flesh of a being? surely maas munchers debt to karm would be heavier than any amount of praying they did. how could it balance off some good over bad? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
from what i have been informed on the laws after death, the amount of bodies we eat we will have to come back as each one. That would then cancel out any chance of having any heavenly pleasure if people have munched 10 000 animals in lifetime. or would charity and praying a bit make a difference? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
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now where it is written in gurmat that if a person eat meat then he is reborn into that joon.what philosophy these people are following.by that logic if a person eat human meat then he will reborn into human being.
these people are hopeless case they are what brahmins are to hinduism |
30-May-2006, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kds1980 take a look at the following post from tapoban http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.p...=82234&t=82234
Author: in sochna mood
Date: 05-29-06 08:34
bhupinder singh ji i too have a question for you my brother.
if a sikh eats meat they are bound by karma automatically to pay off the debt back in to charasi lakh joon. Such as a person eating a chicken will be born one in next life right? if muslims eat meat everyday, and even for days marked with observance for God how would they even advance up to any low form of heaven before paying the price of maas munching?
heavens compared to sach khand are low form but how can meat eaters even spend the next life in a place where they will not pay back this price of consuming flesh of a being? surely maas munchers debt to karm would be heavier than any amount of praying they did. how could it balance off some good over bad?
from what i have been informed on the laws after death, the amount of bodies we eat we will have to come back as each one. That would then cancel out any chance of having any heavenly pleasure if people have munched 10 000 animals in lifetime. or would charity and praying a bit make a difference?
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now where it is written in gurmat that if a person eat meat then he is reborn into that joon.what philosophy these people are following.by that logic if a person eat human meat then he will reborn into human being.
these people are hopeless case they are what brahmins are to hinduism | I have a section in the article that tackles Chaurasi Lakh Joon head on.........copy and post it.
There is no difference in Joon between rock, plant, animal......only humans are different. |
30-May-2006, 04:44 AM
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nice essay.
but if you look at it logically, dont you think that God will punish you for killing animals in order to eat them? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
i talked to an aunti, she said that the hukamnama from Guru Govind Singh Maharaj was that we arent allowed to eat meat, and not only "halal meat"...
she says that it is those wicked shcholars that came up after 1984 that has been saying this in order to divide us bla bla... | 
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