Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

Luckysingh · #**1072** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Driops

THanks dor the replies - yes I know I was just curious about this.. This topic here changed my mind to meat as well -

, I was raised up - saying NO to meat - I never really had choice - my parents just marked me .. But it never suited me because - I am I guess more "open" for all? I couldn´t live with this decision, because it doesnt´made any sense in my eyes. And then I got my experience - like posted before.

The main problem is - I unfortunately ate Halal ( I am still not Amritdhari , some time ago I posted here , why still not) But I am trying to keep rehit... Furthermore I saw the "Halal" Logo on a Noodles package - I am asking how you can Halal noodles?!?!

It's good that this has been a learning curve for you. As I stated above, I think this is probably the best thread as nearly everyone comes on this, reads through and learns, walking away with a new attitude!!!

If a forum like this can make this huge affect, then we should encourage more learning in this manner.

I think I could have spent months in a librabry going through different books with differing views on this subject without coming to a solid conclusion. Instead spending a few days going through the posts on here, I have learnt much more with every single argument covered more than once, thereby coming up with a rock solid conclusion!!

With your halal question, I would ignore these marketing gimmicks where they write halal on non meat products just to endorse the product.
You see, many people believe that chicken flavour crisps or chips(as they are called in N.America) actually contain chicken!!- when in reality all they contain is a flavouring made of pure synthesised chemicals.
Now these kind of people expect to see ''halal'' labelling on this chicken flavouring or they will simply NOT purchase.

If I'm the manufacturer and I can make good money by selling to muslims, then as long as it is legal I shall call my product ''halal''- SIMPLE!!

Kanwaljit Singh · #**1073** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 01:53 AM

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If a forum like this can make this huge affect, then we should encourage more learning in this manner.

I was thinking if we should have a wiki for SPN started on wikia.com. All the content of these big topics (running >50 pages

) could be organized in one article there.

Randip Singh · #**1074** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Driops

THanks dor the replies - yes I know I was just curious about this.. This topic here changed my mind to meat as well -

, I was raised up - saying NO to meat - I never really had choice - my parents just marked me .. But it never suited me because - I am I guess more "open" for all? I couldn´t live with this decision, because it doesnt´made any sense in my eyes. And then I got my experience - like posted before.

The main problem is - I unfortunately ate Halal ( I am still not Amritdhari , some time ago I posted here , why still not) But I am trying to keep rehit... Furthermore I saw the "Halal" Logo on a Noodles package - I am asking how you can Halal noodles?!?!

Hi Driops , the issue is not about "Halal" meat.

Anything that has some sort of ritual purification behind it and offered to God has a problem for Sikhs. God created all the plants and animals, so how does one purify something that Gidis supposed to have created? That for Sikhs is the main issue, nit the issue with Halal per se.

It is interesting that Sikh Masands are developing their own purification rituals. That too would be a problem for Sikhs in my eyes.

harry haller · #**1075** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 03:46 AM

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I am asking how you can Halal noodles?!?!

well, its hard but possible, you need to examine the noodles under a microscope, and kill each cell in the halal manner.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**1076** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

well, its hard but possible, you need to examine the noodles under a microscope, and kill each cell in the halal manner.

Then again maybe NOT..a teeny veeny single cell may be jhatkaed accidentally..spoiling the whole batch !!

P0TTER · #**1077** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 05:23 AM

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P0TTER · #**1078** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 05:48 AM

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P0TTER · #**1079** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

It's good that this has been a learning curve for you. As I stated above, I think this is probably the best thread as nearly everyone comes on this, reads through and learns, walking away with a new attitude!!!

If a forum like this can make this huge affect, then we should encourage more learning in this manner.

I think I could have spent months in a librabry going through different books with differing views on this subject without coming to a solid conclusion. Instead spending a few days going through the posts on here, I have learnt much more with every single argument covered more than once, thereby coming up with a rock solid conclusion!!

With your halal question, I would ignore these marketing gimmicks where they write halal on non meat products just to endorse the product.
You see, many people believe that chicken flavour crisps or chips(as they are called in N.America) actually contain chicken!!- when in reality all they contain is a flavouring made of pure synthesised chemicals.
Now these kind of people expect to see ''halal'' labelling on this chicken flavouring or they will simply NOT purchase.

If I'm the manufacturer and I can make good money by selling to muslims, then as long as it is legal I shall call my product ''halal''- SIMPLE!!

If a meat or non-meat product has the halal sign, this means that money is regularly being paid to a halal authority from the sale of that product to inspect the production plant and for the Halal Certification.

Every sale also funds the Halal Industry
- and you may ask "What's wrong with that?"

Every halal purchase leads to an indirect payment of Zakat Tax, one eighth of which goes to fund Islamic Freedom Fighters.

For more about this see this article:

Halal Funds Terrorists: ZAKAT
http://boycotthalal.com/halal-funding-terrorists-zakat/

Sadly the majority of halal products are sold by stealth and unlabelled as such.
Gurus have explained that not eating meat was not the real sin but:
Taking another's right is the real thing to be avoided

Falsehood is the real thing to avoid

Surely it is our right to know what we are eating and whether we are eating a product which is being sold under the Halal Religious Standard?
Surely all eateries should display the kind of meat they serve - especially if it has been ritually slaughtered and dedicated to a foreign god, so that consumers are able to make a reasoned choice?

Article 9 Human Rights Act. regarding Freedom of Conscience - should give us the right to religious and secular freedom, i.e. to not be forced to participate in religious rites.

Dedicating this meat to a god violates this right: hence there is forced participation in another’s religion without consent.

Jews, Sikhs & Christians are specifically instructed not to eat this meat, so where is their religious freedom?

UK Human Rights Blog

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/incorpo...dex/article-9/

P0TTER · #**1080** (**permalink**) 31-Jul-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

well, its hard but possible, you need to examine the noodles under a microscope, and kill each cell in the halal manner.

In answer to the question of how you 'halal' noodles...

Firstly Muslims convince the manufacturers of the noodles to pay them regularly (weekly or monthly) to inspect and regularly monitor their Production Plant... usually on the promise that this will open up huge rises in their trade to new muslim markets.

All the rules of Sharia Law must be obeyed - even the cleaning procedure must follow halal guidelines and not include alcohol based cleaning products... halal certified cleaning products & equipment must be used.

Then the recipe of the noodles must follow halal principles... halal certified flour must be used and preferably only muslims can be employed for all tasks that involve contact with the product... yes this involves marginalisation of non-muslims in the workplace.

The material used for the packaging of the product must follow halal guidelines too.

The Production Plant and the Product... in this case Noodles, will only then be given Halal Certification and this will incur an annual Payment to a Halal Authority, like the HFA or HMC in UK

To find out more about them read this...

We Call on the Government to Investigate the HMC & other Muslim Halal ‘Charities’

http://boycotthalal.com/halal-charit...irregularities

When it comes to buying halal certified products, the Question is -

Do you want to fund Islam and encourage the growth of the halal industry?