Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

PunjabiEspada · #**982** (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

The GURU is NEUTRAL.....RAS MEETHA...RAS..MAAS...Page 15

SABH ...RAS...MITHEH...IF Menniah....BUT NOT IF just paying Lip Service..(Sunneha SALLONNEH) Page 16

36 types of Food..are AMRIT...IF BHAO..is EK..(Love for EK..the creator creates the Level Playing Field and makes every FOOD "good"....BUT SANS that BHAO for EK...no matter daal or maas..both are no good.

Page 16 Guru nanak ji warns us about this "MISSING LINK of BHAO-EK....and one can argue that Riding a BMW is banned..Sleeping on a soft silk mattress is Banned..Having a beautiful woman for company is Banned. Using perfumes is banned...Consuming 36 foods is Banned..having an army is banned..having a Mansion is banned.... BECAUSE IF ANY THING >>"interferes with your BHAO-EK...and Creates TENSION/VIKAARS/nightmares/churns yiur mind..makes your body sick and incapable of nitnem/rehat/discipline..etc etc" THEN THAT is BANNED.
This is the ESSENCE GURU JI tackles so early in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..sri raag Pages 13 ONWARDS...please read carefully what GURU JI "SANCTIONS" and what GURU JI DISCOURAGES.

People have a tendency to ..."HIJACK" the GURUS position and assume they know MORE than what the GURU says...."meat in diet" is a TINY tiny .00000000000001 ISSUE...whereas the GURU Tackled the VITAL ISSUES.....but we in our infinite wisdom..feel we need to go on and on about the TINY SPECK of an issue while IGNORING the MOUNT EVEREST before us as insignificant...

are there issues more significant?

yes

does that mean we should ignore this issue?

no

does it really need to be as big of a deal as it is?

personally no, I felt the answer was pretty obvious

Simply analyze this issue, read my post as well, and you can see Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji clearly commands for us not to eat meat

there, make that change and move on; case closed

then we can focus on other issues

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**983** (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 11:21 AM

Case was already CLOSED 550 years ago..BY GURU NANAK JI SAHIB....MAAS MAAS kar moorakh jhaggrrey.....BUT his SIKHS disregarded that advice.....and keep on REOPENING the case....Even the "sarcastic" title Guru Ji attached to the arguers of this.."MOORAKHS..FOOLS.." didnt stop them because one side thinks the title is addressed to the opposite side only.
Whats even stranger is that Guru ji terms..thugghee, cheating, lying, praya hakk grabbing/suppression as MURDAAR..eating CARRION..dead animals..BUT people continue to devour CARRION like VULTURES and still remain "holy"..no where is Murdaar used to describe MAAS. I hold the opinion that "EATING MURDAAR" as described by GURU Ji is way MORE destructive to human Morality and spirituality than a kilo of meat daily. This is why INDIA is morally bankrupt..way way more than say USA..becasue the Hundreds of Thousands of Holy BABAS..derawadees, dehdharee Gurus, even Yoga masters like baba RAMDEV have Amassed BILLIONS by lying/cheating/grabbing paraya hakk etc etc...no matter if they eat khichree or daal only ( which i think is highly unlikely as Guru nanak ji already described in Asa dee vaar as "Naak pakkrreh in PUBLIC and meat devouvers at NIGHt in private/ or worse carrion consumers)). The WEST is more "moral" than India any day..just look at the corruption and all that..vegetariansim didnt help one bit...I beleive the RSS and Congress i Goondas who killed sikhs with impunity in 1984 streets of delhi were all strict vegetarians who wouldnt harm a hair on a cows tail...BUT SIKH lives didnt matter one bit..such a massacre has never happened in USA..or canada..even though they consume beef by the billion tons yearly.... so DIET is not a factor in Morality/spirituality..and the Case will never be closed..becasue IF Guru ji couldnt close it..who are we to close it ?? Futile exercise.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
My benti..just Carry ON...

PunjabiEspada · #**984** (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Case was already CLOSED 550 years ago..BY GURU NANAK JI SAHIB....MAAS MAAS kar moorakh jhaggrrey.....BUT his SIKHS disregarded that advice.....and keep on REOPENING the case....Even the "sarcastic" title Guru Ji attached to the arguers of this.."MOORAKHS..FOOLS.." didnt stop them because one side thinks the title is addressed to the opposite side only.
Whats even stranger is that Guru ji terms..thugghee, cheating, lying, praya hakk grabbing/suppression as MURDAAR..eating CARRION..dead animals..BUT people continue to devour CARRION like VULTURES and still remain "holy"..no where is Murdaar used to describe MAAS. I hold the opinion that "EATING MURDAAR" as described by GURU Ji is way MORE destructive to human Morality and spirituality than a kilo of meat daily. This is why INDIA is morally bankrupt..way way more than say USA..becasue the Hundreds of Thousands of Holy BABAS..derawadees, dehdharee Gurus, even Yoga masters like baba RAMDEV have Amassed BILLIONS by lying/cheating/grabbing paraya hakk etc etc...no matter if they eat khichree or daal only ( which i think is highly unlikely as Guru nanak ji already described in Asa dee vaar as "Naak pakkrreh in PUBLIC and meat devouvers at NIGHt in private/ or worse carrion consumers)). The WEST is more "moral" than India any day..just look at the corruption and all that..vegetariansim didnt help one bit...I beleive the RSS and Congress i Goondas who killed sikhs with impunity in 1984 streets of delhi were all strict vegetarians who wouldnt harm a hair on a cows tail...BUT SIKH lives didnt matter one bit..such a massacre has never happened in USA..or canada..even though they consume beef by the billion tons yearly.... so DIET is not a factor in Morality/spirituality..and the Case will never be closed..becasue IF Guru ji couldnt close it..who are we to close it ?? Futile exercise.
My benti..just Carry ON...

Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji clearly said it's wrong

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said it's foolish to argue about it

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**985** (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 17:35 PM

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji came AFTER Guru nanak ji had CLOSED the subject. So theres NO WAY to claim that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says it differently because NO AUTHOR in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contradicts GURU NANAK JI. NO GURU wrote anything about this after Guru nanak ji closed the subject.

Randip Singh · #**986** (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 00:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PunjabiEspada

Simply analyze this issue, read my post as well, and you can see Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji clearly commands for us not to eat meat

Where? which Shabad? Post it in its entirety!!winkingmunda

Randip Singh · #**987** (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 00:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PunjabiEspada

Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji clearly said it's wrong

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said it's foolish to argue about it

Where which Shabad? Post the shabad that says this in it's entirety?

PunjabiEspada · #**988** (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 05:19 AM

you can agree with me that Bhagat Kabeer Ji was a vegetarian and held vegetarian beliefs right?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**989** (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 09:39 AM

Bhagat Kabir Ji's Bani is written in the Islamic Context...he talks about Zor, Hallal, Sacrifice, etc which are ALL Abrahamic/Islamic religious traditions and beleifs. GURMATT has no such concepts except "SELF SACRIFICE as GREATEST SACRIFICE..aapa vaarna/shaheedee/Je tau prem khelan ka chao..sir dhar gali meri ao concept. IF you want to PLEASE ME..Give ME YOUR OWN HEAD...NOT a goat or lamb or chicken and its in this concept that the Infamous Talwara Book Tau KION MURGEE MAREH is a hot bed of creating confusion and misconcstruing bani of kabir ji to twist his concept around. ( Also please note that the Abrahmic God had demanded a Human Sacrifice of one of his prophets..a SON of the prophet..the prophet did bring along his son..BUT also took along a Lamb just in case God relented...( Because he certainly DIDNT want to sacrifice his SON much less HIMSELF even for His GOD )..and viola..GOD did agree to have the poor LAMB instead of the SON. Compare this to how GURU GOBIND SINGH JI SACRIFICED WILLINGLY his two sons in battlefield right before his eyes..and his family elsewhere..."God" in this case didnt appear and decline the sacrifices !! ) SO SIKHS need not go around asking..WHY KILL THE CHICKEN..because WE DONT DO THAT...of KILLING. we kill for OUR OWN FOOD.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828

GURU NANAK JI chose these Banis by various Bhagats to "COMPARE and provide us with different viewpoints"....and these are SACRED to us..BUT the BOTTOM LINE is the BANI that is written by GURU NANAK JI HIMSELF. You will NOT FAIL TO NOTICE..that GURU NANAK JI not only travelled the world, HE went to each and every Famous RELIGIOUS PLACE, teeraths, headquarters of islam.hinduism.yogis/siddhs etc etc..and He also has TACKLED EACH and EVERY "Beleif" of these and WRITTEB Bani on these. This is becaseu GURU NANAK JI came to deliver a BRAND NEW GYAAN..a PATH well away from the beaten paaths, the threadbare philosophies ..shastras, vedas, mahabhartas,Raam of Ramayanas, Cows and holy dung.. kalyugs and aquarious..teerath baths, fasts, pilgrimages, etc etc etc..traditions etc etc...GURU NANAK JI DEMOLISHED EACH and EVERY such beleifs and tradition. ON the HINDU side GURU NANAK ji wrote all the bani himself..on the Abrahamic side He chose banis of adherents that came from such backgrounds such as Bhagat Kabir ji to ILLUSTRATE and SHOW GURMATT..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828

This is NOT to say that those Bhagat Banis are any less sacred to us..since they were chosen by Guru nanak ji and are in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we hold them equally sacred...so theres no argument there...but the facts of "Background" cannot be denied...and thats called CONTEXT. GURU NANAK JI is solid 100& GURMATT as He is the FOUNTAIN HEAD of GURMATT which the following NINE NANAKS EXPOUNDED in FULL. GURU NANAK JI gave His FINAL JUDGEMENT.."Maas maas kar moorakh jhaggrrey"..and NONE of the NINE NANAKS even wrote a single SHABAD mentioning "diet" after that verdict. Case CLOSED.

PunjabiEspada · #**990** (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Bhagat Kabir Ji's Bani is written in the Islamic Context...he talks about Zor, Hallal, Sacrifice, etc which are ALL Abrahamic/Islamic religious traditions and beleifs. GURMATT has no such concepts except "SELF SACRIFICE as GREATEST SACRIFICE..aapa vaarna/shaheedee/Je tau prem khelan ka chao..sir dhar gali meri ao concept. IF you want to PLEASE ME..Give ME YOUR OWN HEAD...NOT a goat or lamb or chicken and its in this concept that the Infamous Talwara Book Tau KION MURGEE MAREH is a hot bed of creating confusion and misconcstruing bani of kabir ji to twist his concept around. ( Also please note that the Abrahmic God had demanded a Human Sacrifice of one of his prophets..a SON of the prophet..the prophet did bring along his son..BUT also took along a Lamb just in case God relented...( Because he certainly DIDNT want to sacrifice his SON much less HIMSELF even for His GOD )..and viola..GOD did agree to have the poor LAMB instead of the SON. Compare this to how GURU GOBIND SINGH JI SACRIFICED WILLINGLY his two sons in battlefield right before his eyes..and his family elsewhere..."God" in this case didnt appear and decline the sacrifices !! ) SO SIKHS need not go around asking..WHY KILL THE CHICKEN..because WE DONT DO THAT...of KILLING. we kill for OUR OWN FOOD.

GURU NANAK JI chose these Banis by various Bhagats to "COMPARE and provide us with different viewpoints"....and these are SACRED to us..BUT the BOTTOM LINE is the BANI that is written by GURU NANAK JI HIMSELF. You will NOT FAIL TO NOTICE..that GURU NANAK JI not only travelled the world, HE went to each and every Famous RELIGIOUS PLACE, teeraths, headquarters of islam.hinduism.yogis/siddhs etc etc..and He also has TACKLED EACH and EVERY "Beleif" of these and WRITTEB Bani on these. This is becaseu GURU NANAK JI came to deliver a BRAND NEW GYAAN..a PATH well away from the beaten paaths, the threadbare philosophies ..shastras, vedas, mahabhartas,Raam of Ramayanas, Cows and holy dung.. kalyugs and aquarious..teerath baths, fasts, pilgrimages, etc etc etc..traditions etc etc...GURU NANAK JI DEMOLISHED EACH and EVERY such beleifs and tradition. ON the HINDU side GURU NANAK ji wrote all the bani himself..on the Abrahamic side He chose banis of adherents that came from such backgrounds such as Bhagat Kabir ji to ILLUSTRATE and SHOW GURMATT..

This is NOT to say that those Bhagat Banis are any less sacred to us..since they were chosen by Guru nanak ji and are in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we hold them equally sacred...so theres no argument there...but the facts of "Background" cannot be denied...and thats called CONTEXT. GURU NANAK JI is solid 100& GURMATT as He is the FOUNTAIN HEAD of GURMATT which the following NINE NANAKS EXPOUNDED in FULL. GURU NANAK JI gave His FINAL JUDGEMENT.."Maas maas kar moorakh jhaggrrey"..and NONE of the NINE NANAKS even wrote a single SHABAD mentioning "diet" after that verdict. Case CLOSED.

Once again, he said it is foolish to argue about it

Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji commands us and we follow

Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji contains the order that eating meat is wrong

That much should be more than enough