Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

BaljinderS · #**919** (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2012, 18:41 PM

Excellent veer ji!!! very well said... you don't seem to be confused to me

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harry haller · #**920** (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2012, 20:10 PM

Confusedji,

Reading your posts used to be extremely rewarding but sometimes extremely hard work, either my understanding in your concepts and theories has increased, or your writing has reached new heights, easy to read, easy to understand, excellent post Veer.

harry haller · #**921** (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2012, 20:29 PM

Amarjitji

Your post, instead of answering questions, raises more:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by amarjit singh bamrah

To be born on Mother earth is a birth even the Gods hunger for! How many Gods are there, you make it sound like quite a few, could you explain?

Its because here on Mother earth are all the temptations one has to face. As Confusedji has said, if these people are Gods, surely they would be above temptation, if they are not on earth, where are they? Heaven? another planet?

Every birth is a learning curve .
We before birth meet with our soul committee and decide what experiences, what tribulations we want to experience. Who makes up this committee, why would anyone wish to have tribulations?

On birth this Soul contract is faded.

All the time in every birth we strive to be purer and purer and eventually merge with our Godhead.
This is enlightenment.
It may take many births to achieve this.Do we then become as one with God, or do we become a God?

Many people throughout the world who have experienced awakening of inner concience have realized this too about our soul contracts.

Its like the Amrit or nectar of life
If one has not tasted it
How does one know the taste and the satnaam within it? Sat is described in Mool Mantar as the name of Creator, Is Sat one of many Gods, or the chief God? On a scale, where would Sat figure in the many Gods that inhabit this place

amarjit

Satnaam

Amarjit
we want to face.

Luckysingh · #**922** (**permalink**) 15-Feb-2012, 15:57 PM

WOW!!, this may be the longest ongoing debate as it's nearly reached a 100 pages!!!!

I've been to frightened to read through all the posts as I'm afraid I may get even more confused and end up making the wrong decision!!!!!

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html

BTW Has anyone mentioned Vitamin B12 deficiency?????

I heard that increased intake of B12 can reduce your brain from shrinking and minimize Alzheimers!!!
Perhaps, this could be the root of the reason for the long unconcluded argument!!!!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828

As maybe the increased intake with the meat eaters has resulted in them posessing much larger brains than their vegetarian colleagues!!!

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**923** (**permalink**) 15-Feb-2012, 18:52 PM

Lucky singh Ji,
The INCREASED BRAIN SIZE is proven by scienists over past few hundred thousand years..so its a Fact.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Secondly you dont have to read all the 100 pages..just the ARTICLE has everything you need. The 100 pages are simply arguments being senselessly repeated over and over again...by the Vegetarian group insisting they are right. period. The non-vegies keep saying diet etc is NOT an importnat criteria in Sikhism..but.....???/teh water keeps on being churned...of course since its water..no butter is going to emerge even after 1000 pages...

BaljinderS · #**924** (**permalink**) 16-Feb-2012, 18:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Lucky singh Ji,
The INCREASED BRAIN SIZE is proven by scienists over past few hundred thousand years..so its a Fact.
Secondly you dont have to read all the 100 pages..just the ARTICLE has everything you need. The 100 pages are simply arguments being senselessly repeated over and over again...by the Vegetarian group insisting they are right. period. The non-vegies keep saying diet etc is NOT an importnat criteria in Sikhism..but.....???/teh water keeps on being churned...of course since its water..no butter is going to emerge even after 1000 pages...

This is going to sound rude and bitter truth for some. I think the people making this argument, have their loyalties and trust misplaced. They are not interested in what Gurbani says in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so technically their argument is outside of Sikhi.
Their trust is in the pakhandi baabe and other ideologies (propogated by various groups) which is misguided.

harry haller · #**925** (**permalink**) 16-Feb-2012, 18:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaljinderS

This is going to sound rude and bitter truth for some. I think the people making this argument, have their loyalties and trust misplaced. They are not interested in what Gurbani says in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so technically their argument is outside of Sikhi.
Their trust is in the pakhandi baabe and other ideologies (propogated by various groups) which is misguided.

and judging by the thread today regarding the Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, We can now put them in that camp.

As a Sikh wishing to reconnect with his/her faith, I would have thought one of the first port of calls would be the SGPC. If this body is also happy to push forward the myth that good Sikhs should abstain from meat, I guess that makes us renegades!

If you have a problem, If no one else cam help, and if you can find them, call the SPN Team

All we need now is a black van with a big red Khanda full of Jhatka

Luckysingh · #**926** (**permalink**) 17-Feb-2012, 14:55 PM

Well, this ongoing debate keeps raising more and more questions.
I have read through many of the posts and checked the references quoted....(I thought that advanced physics was mind bogglingly tough)

....well, I can in all honesty say that prior to gaining this knowledge, I had the false misconception that meat is totally forbidden in sikhism like intoxicants.

Thanks to SPN, that the misty haze before my eyes has somewhat cleared up.

Although I had sometimes queried if it was just the ritualistically prepared (halal), and I'm sure that many more have done exactly this.

I don't wish to raise any more questions (as we will just keep going in circles), but I realise very clearly that there are many many people out there, especially here in the west that have the same misconceptions as I did.

I'm not trying to say- thank you for the non-veggie arguments, so that I can go enjoy a 12oz sirloin, or pull out those burger king coupons/vouchers that I threw in the trash.......No,no.. I'm not going to use the arguments as an excuse by any means. But the arguments containing comprehensive info and facts will help me conjure my own answer.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828

I realise it's more of a decision based on factors outside the scope of sikhism- correct me if I'm wrong..
...........This is the conclusion that I have come up with.....again, correct me if i'm wrong.
I think any corrections I will get are going to stem from personal viewpoints, which I now realise is the answer..( ie... here's the facts and info..- go make up your own mind).

Before I got into this topic, I had a simple definite answer.
After going through the information, my answer now is a big question mark!!!

My concern is how to get the many others to realise these misconceptions??

As we have seen from these posts since 2006 and nearly 100 pages, it can and will take a very very long time to get a correct justified answer (if one would ever exist)

Many of the posts have been well documented with relevant points.
Maybe if we just gave some simple, straightforward personal viewpoints without trying to justify ourselves it may give a more realistic perpective and approach.
ie. something like the voting polls we have, but without the last explanation option..

Waheguru
Sat Kartar

Lucky Singh

Ambarsaria · #**927** (**permalink**) 17-Feb-2012, 20:57 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

All we need now is a black van with a big red Khanda full of Jhatka

Harry veer ji I will be happy to drive the said van in Canada on the RIGHT side of the road. You can be the driver in UK driving on the LEFT side (wrong side of the road

) of the road.

I will even dare to drive it near some Radhaswami temples in Canada if you return the favor in UK. mundahug

Sat Sri Akal.