The title of the cartoon is have a right kind of life partner.Can't we interpret the cartoon in a way that Sikh men themselves choose to marry modern westernised girls.Also the Sikh society is sexist in both ways.In urban cities there is tremendous pressure on boys to maintain uncut hair and beard while Sikh girls openly wax,make eyebrows or even slightly trim their hair and call themselves proud to be a Sikh.Is it not sexism?

What is the meaning of changing with time please define? Does means more and more copying western culture

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<<What is the meaning of changing with time please define? Does means more and more copying western culture>>

it is called shedding the old sexist and male centric blinkers. Accepting women and men at par, accepting individual choices. This is no different from what gurbani teaches us.

If this means copying western culture by your definition, i presume you know very little of the western world , except that students read Playboy and Penthouse in schools and that Letters to Penthouse are written by actual people (ref the book : The Inscrutable Americans)

<<In urban cities there is tremendous pressure on boys to maintain uncut hair and beard while Sikh girls openly wax,make eyebrows or even slightly trim their hair and call themselves proud to be a Sikh.Is it not sexism?>>>

i think in other posts specially one on Sikhs getting hair cut , you had mentioned that Sikh boys were under pressure(peer pressure) to get hair cut. So you mean there is dual pressure for guys?

LOL

how does it compare with girls being killed before they are born?

How does it compare with girls having no choice, but accept their husband's belief and "religion" and "rehat"

How does it compare to being mocked upon in cartoons as mems


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as an aside to the discussion

i donot consider getting hair cut or waxing legs makes anyone a lesser person by their beliefs(sikhi), maybe their stading in the pecking order of "Sikhism" gets lowered as ordained by the Rehatnama of SGPC.

this part of the thread is getting into issues that have been debated elsewhere. So i guess let us not re-invent the wheel. We both know each other's stand pretty well on this issue.

pun was intended on the reference to the statement about Playboy etc ... hope you would read it in the same light

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I am totally lost here, can someone explain why it is shameful to have a "mem" wife etc. whatever that is supposed to mean.

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"As his turban was knocked off, his hair opened. But Sarbloh stood there, silent. Behind his hair, I could see his expression change from serious to that of an angry bull. He clenched his fists as he charged towards his attacker!" - Tej Singh MUTANTS

here is another derogatory cartoon from the same website



the text says"

the patki on your head makes you look like a lucky charm matki ( a blackened earthen pot believed to work as evil ward off charm)

to look like a gloroius Sikh, wear a turban

a turban is a purely punjabi/indian thing, how does it link with Sikhs abroad ?

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Indivisual choices have limits.You cannot say that each and eveything as indivisual choice.

LOL I never said that Sikh boys are under peer presuure to cut their hair.No Sikh parents
with religious mentality could even think of seeing their son without turban either you don't understand my posts or you just mix it up.

From where the issue female foeticide come's in this debate.Anyway let me reply
female foeticide is mainly an economic issue. In indian society boys are still best old age insurance.also the type of law and order and court cases pending plenty of families need boys to even get hold of their properties ,to run their businesses etc.So its natural
for people to have demand for boys.I find it amazing when people point finger at indians for aborting females but hardly look at the abortion statistics of world where people
and women abort their children because they are hindrance to their career and economic growth and proudly call themselves pro-choice.Don't worry when boys will loose their economic importance people will not hesistate to abort them in India.

Most of the women voluntary do it in India.Just look at any inter religious marriage and you will find that women gradually start practising their husband's faith even without pressure.That's why inter religious marriage for daughteris unacceptable for most parents

Men too are mocked plenty of times But due to growing influnce of feminism people just choose to ignore it and anything that points toward women immdiately takes sexist turn

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Then we are in agreement. Sikhi is not the easy route ohh far from it.

Well, a bigger turban does look better with a beard. But what is up with that matki ****.

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<<<<Indivisual choices have limits.You cannot say that each and eveything as indivisual choice.>>>>


i really could not comprehend what you are trying to convey. Could you please explain.

<<<<LOL I never said that Sikh boys are under peer presuure to cut their hair.No Sikh parents
with religious mentality could even think of seeing their son without turban either you don't understand my posts or you just mix it up.>>>

i understood your posts. We had a discussion where you said that in order to get married to "modern" Sikh girls, Sikh boys were under pressure to get hair/beard cut. On the other hand you say that they have pressure form their family.

i am not denying that there might or might not be pressure. It once again comes to personal choices. You make choices and also accept the consequences.


<<Most of the women voluntary do it in India.Just look at any inter religious marriage and you will find that women gradually start practising their husband's faith even without pressure.That's why inter religious marriage for daughteris unacceptable for most parents>>>

if its voluntary then why is the cartoon chiding the man?

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Dear every one.

I am born in Sikh family. I can not say that I am proud of be a Sikh but very exceptional person to have a wonderful teaching of the 10 GURU'S which tell all of us that every relegion regardless of any faith but they are all come from one light. That is why after every end of Sikh prayer we wish to all saying: "TERE BHANE SARBAT DA BHALA".

In other words one can mary a girl from the silkh family to have a more easly mixed up with husband or wife and relatives because of principals of upbringing for both are the same.

But look at the millions of Sikh boys and girls marry out side their relegions because of love with belief that all human being come from one light. All the ritual are made by the preachers in Mander,Churchess in different Gurudwaras with thier own intrpetaions of the teaching. But as we all know that Guru Nanak Dev ji constantly taught us that there is no difference among the human being from all relegions which is based on one simple belief that we are one and come from one light so here is no one is bad or good. Person is known bad or good because of one`s deed .

Same we have thousand examples of many moslims joined Sikh faith and were accepted by our Gurus Some of them has thier phiolosphy added and is a part of our Gur Granth Sahib Ji.

It is time to wake up and do not bring the relegion in any one`s life style for maryiong any one and think absolulty a stupid to feel as act of sin. Infect it will be act of true Sikh. There are millions of people non Sikh have loind the Sikh faith like sindhies , Moslems and others from different part of the world.

So after all discussions are based on ignorance and fnatic beliefs. There is no room for that in Sikhism which most humble and full of NIMRATA.
"Niven so Gaura Hoie"

Jaspi

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Dear Jaspi, I love your view.

I just feel the same too.
But never, ever do that in Malaysia.
One can be trapped forever and ever. Amin.

Musslamans are above all and everything.
No question should be asked.