Kirtan

truthseeker · #1 (**permalink**) 29-Apr-2006, 08:54 AM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

I just wanted to know the sangat's view on doing kirtan. Should kirtan always be done in Raag? And if it is then what happens to those you do not do it in raag? Would one call them manmat and leave it at that or is there something else.

The reason i ask is because just this past week a Prof from the UK was here in Ottawa, Ontario doing kirtan with 8 of his students. He talked about how we should all be doing kirtan in Raag, which i agree with to some extent, and he also said that we should be using classical instruments ie the Rebab, Taus, dilruba etc.
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Sangat Ji what do you guys think?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

simpy · #2 (**permalink**) 04-May-2006, 17:30 PM

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Originally Posted by truthseeker

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

I just wanted to know the sangat's view on doing kirtan. Should kirtan always be done in Raag? And if it is then what happens to those you do not do it in raag? Would one call them manmat and leave it at that or is there something else.

The reason i ask is because just this past week a Prof from the UK was here in Ottawa, Ontario doing kirtan with 8 of his students. He talked about how we should all be doing kirtan in Raag, which i agree with to some extent, and he also said that we should be using classical instruments ie the Rebab, Taus, dilruba etc.
Sangat Ji what do you guys think?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

Yes Kirtan been a source to Salvation for many saints. Well known are Meera, and Naamdev.

Music, due to its distinct sound vibrations does cause a lot of assistance on the path for a seeker. But only if it is done with one pointedness. If all one is thinking, the new or old instruments; most probably is stuck with the sensual pleasure (kMn rs).That is not going to take one anywhere.

Inderjit singh minhas · #3 (**permalink**) 04-May-2006, 22:37 PM

pls keep on saying waheguru
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waheguru,waheguru,waheguru

manjotkaur · #4 (**permalink**) 14-May-2006, 11:49 AM

SSA ji
I happen to come across a site on net and found some knowldge relevant to the question-:Should kirtan always be done in Raag?

Though it may not be correct to call kirtan a distinct school of Indian music, it is certainly a distinct tradition and a new contribution to sacred Indian music. It uses both the classical Hindustani music and desi(folk) music for divine praise and glorification, and employs the local idiom and poetic forms so as to intensify its appeal to the masses. Its objective is spiritual inspiration and its medium is the emotional appeal of both pure and popular music. By combining the purity of raga and tala with correct intonation and feeling, its appeal extends even to highbrow musicians.
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In kirtan, more important than the musical element is the feeling of love and devotion of the disciple. Even the best and perfect melody, unless accompanied by true belief and sincere feeling for God, may be of no avail. According to the Gurus, mere technical perfection of musical rendering and vocal skill is not kirtan.

I hope this may be of some help i just copied and pasted it from the site on net .