
20-Nov-2006, 08:41 AM
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| | | | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help At NO point in my life as a Sikh follower of THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB will i ever "count" how many times I do Jap Ji Sahib, Sukhmani Sahib, or naam simran. I will continuously do Naam simran when I am not doing my Nitnem and i fail to see how you could possibly stop doing naam simran or such at a certain point, such as after 50 or whatever repetitions. There is no end to God so how can there be such to his worshipping from you? How can you "calculate" how many times you need to do Phat in a certain time lapse. These are all seemingly more ways to seperate the Sikh groups, into different methods of achieving salvation, Kundalini Yoga being one that is growing in the west, and here comes the Nanaksar...never stop doing naam simran, do your nitnem, follow the guides of THE GURU not self proclaimed guru's and you shall find what billions die searching for, realization of the almighty. | 
21-Nov-2006, 10:07 AM
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| | | | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help My dear Guru pyario
This number thing and malas and fixation to the number of Paths etc has led many a Sikh to leave Sikhism for other faiths especially Christianity. Many a well-meaning babas have inadvertently led people away from the actual essence of what the Gurujis actually taught us. Sikhism is meant to be the most simple and easy path to live, a lifestyle that is God-centred, and thus with every breath and with every morsel and every moment the Sikh is enjoined to be one with the Divine. That doesn't mean that the Sikh does nothing but recite the Name which many people think erroneously. The Name as we come to know.... the actual name of God such as Parmeshar, Waheguru are reference points and vehicles to carry us across this worldly ocean .... a Name by which we can remember that One Creator Being who has somany names and yet none. We need to remember that the Naam actually means the Power of the Presence of God ie The Satnaam that It is...... the Omnipresent Immortal Essence of Reality that is Omniscient and Omnipotent and pervades the whole creation ... much like what the Christians call Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost or Muslims call Rooh Ilahi or the Hindus call it the Aad Para Shakti, it is the Naam Kellah which is the Chardi Kellah or the Divine Spirit. The Sikh's way of life is a meditation..."Uthat baithat sovat jaagat marg chalt Har Har dhi-aa-yai..... in speech, in thoughts and in action.... also Jo deesai so tera roop jo karan so terai hazoor.... and the Names of God and Gur shabd help us along the path to remain in constant awareness of His Presence.....So beautiful and simple Sikhism is .... but sadly it has been made difficult ....... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575
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21-Nov-2006, 19:03 PM
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| | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help Dear Dr Kanwal Jit Singh
I really lked your post and could not agrre more with your ideas
Thanks for sharing your experience !
Jatinder Singh | 
15-May-2007, 23:48 PM
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| | | | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help Hi ..friends
It would be my first post. Thanks a lot for this topic. I have a view point of explaining it in my own way although I may not be worthy of it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575
Our desire makes us act. If there is no desire there will not be any act. Thus if we are are to meditate we must have the desire to do so. This desire should be backed up by something to achieve. That something is that we like and love.
If we like and love something we can easliy do that we are to do. If we like and love HIm we shall have desire else not. Thus the essential thing is if we have love for lord or not. If we have, the rest follows. If we don't love something we don't even think of that what to say of meditating. | 
09-Jul-2009, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kanwal295 My dear Guru pyario
Sikhism is meant to be the most simple and easy path to live,
a lifestyle that is God-centred, and thus with every breath and with every morsel and every moment the Sikh is enjoined to be one with the Divine. | How is to be a sikh anywhere near easy?
Every breath, every morsel.. with divine ?
I admire your good motives. You might be mis understood, not wrong, but mis-understood. | 
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| | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help Sant Kabir, Ang 1124 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575
ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਅੰਤ ਕੀ ਬੇਰ ਆਇ ਲਾਗੋ ਕਾਲੁ ਨਿਦਾਨਿ ॥੨॥੫॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8575
kehi kabeer anth kee baer aae laago kaal nidhaan ||2||5||
Says Kabeer, at the very last moment, death will come and seize you, you fool! ||2||5|| ਚਾਰਿ ਦਿਨ ਅਪਨੀ ਨਉਬਤਿ ਚਲੇ ਬਜਾਇ ॥
chaar dhin apanee noubath chalae bajaae ||
The mortal beats the drum for a few days, and then he must depart. | 
10-Jul-2009, 20:49 PM
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| | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help I would like to suggest, hopefully I am not first one, To post shabads in full. Or atleast a whole chaupai/chant etc. | 
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| | | | | re: Meditation on God's Help Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh martin I would like to suggest, hopefully I am not first one, To post shabads in full. Or atleast a whole chaupai/chant etc.  | My good friend -- The posted is the entire seloka within the greater raag than encompasses it. No need to post more, the seloka stands on its own. But the surrounding vaars can be found as noted previously on Ang 1124.  Forgive me. | 
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