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Old 24-Feb-2006, 10:21 AM
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
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Hello SPN members… my first post in a long time, and after a rather turbulent 2005 I am proud to be “back” in sikhi and learning something new everyday.

Today I was at a sikhi related site (allaboutsikhs.com) and I read that the 5 Kakars being the Kara, kirpan, kachara, kangha and Kesh should be worn and maintained at all times. It says in our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that our 5 k’s must not depart our body. The problem is how do you keep some of these Kakars clean and tidy in certain events and situations.
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I have very specific questions in mind, and I’m sure that a few of us need a re-freshener, so I would like to ask the following…

1) How do you keep kirpan, kangha, Kesh (and head covering?) clean and dry during a shower? I have shower every morning, and this is important.
2) When going to bathroom and other sometimes, unclean areas, how do you protect your k’s?
3) when sleeping, how do you keep 5 k’s on during sleeping (I have tendency to move in my sleep :P)?

Other question I had regarding our articles of dedication is the kirpan – I read that it is used for defending other sikh and other people (I already knew this BTW), however when I looked at my kirpan, it was not sharp! How can I defend anyone when my sword is dull and not even really big enough? Just a thought, anyone else have this question?

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waheguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji ki fateh

i am very happy khalsa starr ji that you are back in sikhism.what you have read on allabout sikhs.com is just fanatism.no where it is written in guru granth sahib to do this.guru gobind singh ji gave us five kakkars for a purpose not for wearing them as rituals
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It is not Sikhism but Jattism or Brahmnaism to let all Five Ks be attached to us all the time.

Say for HAIRS OR KESHA others can be removed from time to time.In fact to trevel overseas these guys of allaboutsikhism also could be putting thier Kirpan in luggage and not taking on borads of Aircrafts.
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So kds Ji are correct.We must not bother much about code before having Faith factor over Akal.
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Das also removes some of Ks which are detachable in some situations.Like while taking bath or while sleeping or say while learning martial Arts class.

Do not bother about it.
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It is not Sikhism but Jattism or Brahmnaism to let all Five Ks be attached to us all the time.

Say for HAIRS OR KESHA others can be removed from time to time.In fact to trevel overseas these guys of allaboutsikhism also could be putting thier Kirpan in luggage and not taking on borads of Aircrafts.
Ok, so i shouldn't have to wear them during shower time, howerver it isgood to keepp them on as much as possible.

Can anyone quote a part of the Guru granth sahib ji about this?
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There's no direct quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but simple logic will tell you they can be removed at certain situations.


Not to be blunt, but how are you supposed to have sex with your kachara still on?..or are both partners kachara's supposed to be dangling by their feet, kind of absurd if you ask me. Our gurus had children too, so at one point in time, they did perform the same act, and hence had to remove their kachara.
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...Not to be blunt, but how are you supposed to have sex with your kachara still on?...
Good point, never really thought of that question. So it is ok to take them off sometimes, i guess you should keep them on as much as possible.

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Ok, so i shouldn't have to wear them during shower time, howerver it isgood to keepp them on as much as possible.
Can anyone quote a part of the Guru granth sahib ji about this?
5 kakars are not even mentioned in guru granth sahib
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5 kakars are not even mentioned in guru granth sahib
Really? I have always been told that it was in the holy scriptures - now i'm confused.

I know that Guru Gobind Singh Ji started the requirment of use of the 5 kakars, how did he know to use them?
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Really? I have always been told that it was in the holy scriptures - now i'm confused.
I know that Guru Gobind Singh Ji started the requirment of use of the 5 kakars, how did he know to use them?
ther is no bani of guru gobind singh ji in guru granth sahib .the bani of guru gobind singh is in dasam granth and in sarlobh granth and i don,t know whether 5ks they are mentioned in them or not.
the main source of 5ks are different rehatnamas
that is why there are several types of different rehat maryadas
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At end of Dasham Granth there is code givne by Tenth Master.

Das will put main point of them here.

Five Ks are mentioned and without Kes(hairs) other four are useless.
This is writtan as per old tradition(Guru agrees that in past also it exisited).
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Huqqah(Samoking) ,Shaving and Halal(meat as per Islamic rites) are forbiddan.
Using Hina on beard is like blackening the face.
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In Sarbloh Granth we have mention of Treya Mudra ie Kachh Kes Kirpan.

By History of Ten Gurus and archelogical evidance we can conclude that previous Gurus had Trai Mudra and 5 Kes were made more clearer since the time of Tenth Master.

Guru Granth Sahib Ji are for mankind like Massiah Jesus.

Dasham Granth and Sarbloh Granth are for Sikhs only like Bible.
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