5 Kakars Questions

Gurfateh

At end of Dasham Granth there is code givne by Tenth Master.
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Das will put main point of them here.

Five Ks are mentioned and without Kes(hairs) other four are useless.
This is writtan as per old tradition(Guru agrees that in past also it exisited).
Huqqah(Samoking) ,Shaving and Halal(meat as per Islamic rites) are forbiddan.
Using Hina on beard is like blackening the face.
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In Sarbloh Granth we have mention of Treya Mudra ie Kachh Kes Kirpan.
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By History of Ten Gurus and archelogical evidance we can conclude that previous Gurus had Trai Mudra and 5 Kes were made more clearer since the time of Tenth Master.

Guru Granth Sahib Ji are for mankind like Massiah Jesus.

Dasham Granth and Sarbloh Granth are for Sikhs only like Bible.

 
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vijaydeep singh ji can you tell me the page no.of dasam granth in which 5ks are mentioned

OH YES they are..but in "different" terms...they Precede even the GUrus..even the Bhagats mention them..

Give me a few days and i will get you the relevant quotes..

Jarnail Singh Gyani

Respected members

The importance of five K is not stressed anywhere in gurbani. I do not see any reference to five K in any skh history expect articles on rehat maryada. I hope i may be wrong and there must be someone who is able to explain using reference from gurbani. For every explanation GURU GOBIND SINGH JI has asked us to take guidance from GURU GRANTH SAHIB.
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The main issue is penetration of some self interested people who are misguiding sikhs to get involved in such petty things and keep us away from the roost cause of promoting sikhism. Sikhism is one of the modern religion where every thing is valued on logic and then agreed to. But gurani is the ultimate. We should follow the teaching of Gurbani.
Hardeep Singh Badhesha

Hello Everyone,
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Waheguru jee kaa khalsa
waheguru jee kee fateh.


This 5 K's issue requires intellectual’s debate whether Guru Gobind Singh Jee has ever said about wearing 5 K's.

There are all kind of stories that at the SAJNA of Punj Piarias, Guru Jee had naked kirpaan soaked with blood for more heads,....... but even this story does not mention about 5-kakaars.
Story goes on saying that on very next day, tens of thousands of Sangat took Khande-De-Pahul. The question is how these many Kacheras and kirpaan were arranged??



One thing is for sure:

· Guru Gobind Singh Jee had given Guruaiee to Siri Guru Granth jee.
· Guru Granth Sahib Jee prohibit wearing external symbols like Janaoo
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Bhul Chuk Maaf Karne Jee

Gurfateh
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For Bro Bindy Bains,

Best thing for you ios to take help of sikhmarg.com and they will give you more good adivce to come out of ritualism.

Dear KDS Ji,

On the last page of sgpce version of Dasham Granth which is not online as yet.It is on last page of Dasham Granth.

Dear Balber Singh JI,

das knows some of our people who put pne leg in Kacheera while sleeping with wives but that is more ritualism.

Dear Kulmahal Ji,

Each faith has some code,

Islam has circusenstioans and Hindus Janeu.

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If Sikhism is not a ism like comunism but Religeon it has to have some code.

When we say that only Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave Guruship to Guru Granth Sahib Ji then you can not prove it by Guru Granth Sahib Ji as it is not mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib Ji themselve.

But Guruship of Guru Granth Sahib Ji was beofore Guru Gobind Singh Ji also in the form of Sabad Guru.

In Sarbloh Granth,Guruship of Guru Granth Sahib and Kachchh Kes Kirpan both are mentioned.

so really, i should not make a big fuss over it and wear them when it feels comfortable?
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ok, thanks.

????????? What you mean bro?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.
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A lot of readers of this Forum ( and also all over the Sikh World) have been misled into beleiving that the 5 Kakaars...are an "invention"..."imposition"..etc by GURU GOBIND SINGH JI....and have nothing to do with the previous NINE GURUS. This is shown by their statements..There is NOTHING about the Five Ks in Gurbani..where is it written in Guru Granth Ji..etc etc etc..????

What a HUGE MISCONCEPTION.... The Five Kakaars are the GIFT of GURU NANAK...they are ALL inside the Gurbani of GURU GRANTH JI....

This is a huge subject and i will tackle it bit by bit..but please bear with me... as we go along.

The FIRST thing to note about GURMATT/SIKHI/...is that this is GURU NANAK JIs GIFT to this World. Nothing about Sikhi and Gurmatt can even be discussed without referring to Gurbani and Directions of Guru nanak ji Sahib...He is the FOUNTAIN HEAD of Gurmatt.....and even IF Water out of aFountain does flow Downstream....and change a bit or alter its course...IT STILL BEGINS its journey from the Fountain Head.

The Second thing to note here is that WHATEVER Direction Guru nanak ji Sahib gave us...Its ALL written down in Black and White for us for eternity in the GURU GRANTH JI SAHIB. No need to go looking elsewhere...Dasam granth...or other Granths..etc.

Guru nanak ji began the MANSION/PALACE of Gurmatt/Sikhi....the NAAM NIranjan is the MAIN THEME..and SHABAD SURT is the FOUNDATION of this Mansion.

TO continue this Central Theme if NAAM further Guru ANGAD JI SAHIB declares..Naanak AMRIT EK HAI..Dooja AMRIT NAHIN... OH Nanak..there is ONLY ONE AMRIT..no other..

Does Guru Amardass Ji differ from this central theme in any way..NO SIREE..Guru Amardass Ji declares..Shabad MAROh fir jeevoh sadhee tan fir maran na hoi...IF one DIES (Submerges) into SHABAD..the He LIVES for Life EVERLASTING..and NEVER DIES AGAIN... Shabad is for ETERNITY..Shabad is AMRIT for Eternal Life everlasting..
fDo we find any change in this line of thought when Guru Amardass Ji takes over...NO. Guru Ramdass Ji declares...Jin Har arth sreer lagaiyah..Gur SHABAD GURU..GUR KE...Guru ramdass Ji loves the Dust of GURU SHABAD

What happens when Guru arjun Ji comes into Guruhood...any changes ?? NO. Guru Arjun compiles the Shabad into a Granth...and GIVES HIS DIVINE LIFE for its SANCTITY...and Greatness be preserved...This Central Theme is preserved in Guru Granth Ji as "philosophical thought"..and in Harmandir Sahib Darbar sahib's Foundation stone beign laid by a MUSLIM Peer Sain Main Mir in PRACTICAL FORM to show the New Universal Thought is really and truly UNIVERSAL and breaks all Barriers of caste, rich poor, religion, etc etc etc.

Then Guru Hargobind Ji arrives on the SCENE... we see the Twin Swords of MIRI and PIRI in his Gatra and the Double Edged KHANDA in His hands....and we begin to TREMBLE.... some begin to "see" a "departure" from GURU Nanak Ji..others begin to say..OH Guru hargobind Ji has CHANGED the Peaceful religion of the Previous Five GURUS.....But wait a MINUTE..folks... HAR NAAM KHAG ( The NAAM of HAR is SWORD ) is put into GURBANI by GURU ARJUN JI HIMSELF. DHARAM is JUSTICE....so declare Guru nanak Ji, Guru Angad Ji, guru Amardass Ji, Guru ramdass Ji and Guru arjun Ji....so when we look at AKAL TAKHAT..its wrong for us to say Guru Hargobind ji has "changed" the Direction of Sikhi/Gurmatt ..change of thought. change of Theme..?/ NO.
IF we care to look at Guru Naanak Ji ..carefully enough we can see clearly thet He is Holding the SACH KI KATEE sword in His Hnads..Kamar Katara bunkarra is clearly visible. Defence of DHARAM/JUSTICE sometimes NEEDS the SWORD...hence Guru Gobind Singh later declared this fact..but He takes his lead from GURU NANAK ji

Bhai Gurdass Ji, Bhai buddah Ji..were the Eye wittnesses to the Construction of the Akal takaht..they were the First Voluntary Labour to join hands with Guru hargobind Ji...Bhai gurdass Ji writes; Chalee peerrehee SODHIANROOP DIKHAVAN vareh varee... the Lineage of SODHIS have begun..they change Roop in turn ( but Philosophy remains the same )

Guru Arjun Ji declares..
Hargobind RAKHIYOH Parmesar Aapnee kirpa Dhaar
Mitee biadh sarb sukh hoeyehhar gunn sada bichaar
Angeekaar keeo mere karteeh gur pooreh kee vadaiyee
ABCHAL NEEV DHAREE GUR NANAK Nit nit charreh swaeeh..Gujri Mh 5 Page 500.

This is the Eternal Foundations of Shabd Surt...that upholds the Sikh mansion of Gurmatt Philosophy.

When GURU TEG BAHADUR ( the name was originally TEG MALL...and was changed to TEG BAHADUR when this Sahibzadah of Guru hargobind Ji showed such Incredible Swordsmanship in the Battles of Guru Ji...and we can see clearly that GURU TEG BAHADUR JI is also carrying a SWORD and wielding it..)
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So did Guru HAR RAI JI..who had a Company of over 2000 Expert Swordsmen and Horse Riders at His Command 24/7...Gurmatt is NOT Changing and neither is the GURU nanak Philosophy...

Guru Teg Bahadur Ji BANNED the use of Tobacco.....as it was fast gaining popularity among the indian populace.

In my Next installment i will go on to Guru Gobind Singh ji...

Gyani jarnail Singh