Two questions on sikhism

Sath shri akal ji

what does Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee mean in zafarma when he writes
" I warred with the idol-worshipping hill chiefs,
For, I am the breaker of idols and they their worshippers. (95)"

arent we sikhs suppose to respect and honour other religions? then why does he say that he smashes the hindu statues of Ganesh, vishnu etc..

and the other questions:
i was raised in the belief that all my muslim and christian friends would also have an equal chance of goin to paradise, the same way as me.
i found this verse:
Page 142, Line 8
ਰਾਹ ਦੋਵੈ ਇਕੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਝਸੀ ॥
राह दोवै इकु जाणै सोई सिझसी ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/8231-two-questions-on-sikhism.html
raah dovai ik jaanai so-ee sijhsee.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8231
One who recognizes that all spiritual paths lead to the One shall be emancipated.
Guru Nanak Dev



but then i also found these verses on http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/?p=answers&ans=4

where it says that only sikhs will enter paradise..

Without naam, no one can find God.

Translation:O Nanak, without the Naam, the Name of the Lord, no one is liberated

Without the Guru, the Naam cannot be obtained.


read the link if you want the whole answer, and see why i am confused :S

sath shri akal


i hope i am not offending anyone, and i appologise for my english.. i have only been living in the west for 2 years..

 
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It is a well known fact that Guru nanak Ji Sahib totally REJECTED the Hidnu Janeau and other beliefs liek idols, caste, etc.

BUT this FACT didnt stop Guru Teg Bahadur Ji from Catching hold of the Brahmins of Kahmir arm..and courting DEATH in delhi to assert their RIGHT to Freedom of Religion. Guru Teg bahdur Ji being the same Nank jyot also didnt bleeive in the Janueau, caste etc of Hinduism...BUT he defended their right to be Hindus which Aurengzeb wanted to DESTROY.

In Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Zafarnama, Guru Ji is asserting what actually happened. Guru Ji DID NOT attack the Hindu rajahs FIRST..they attacked the peaceful GURU..and even Called upon the SAME AURENGZEB who was killing Hindus by the thousands DAILY and breaking mandirs etc FOR HELP against the son of Guru Teg Bahadur Ji who had given his head for their religion.

Sikhism doesnt beleive in Idols and caste etc....but not one MANDIR was ever attacked or Destroyed by any SIKH in any time or country. This si also a FACT - undeniable by history.

2. The "GURU" in this context is NOT EXCLUSIVE to the SIKH GURUS. It is "GURU"...in the context of one's own religion...and the NAAM of Gurbani is NOT EXCLUSIVE to Sikhism either... the Naam Hari Hari, Narayan, Gobind, Murali, etc etc etc are all Naam. ALLAH is also NAAM.

There are several lines in Gurbani where a HINDU is told to be a GOOD HINDU...and a MUSLIM is taught how to be a GOOD MUSLIM. This is also why the writings of several HINDU and MUSLIM Bhagats are included in GURBANI and accorded the SAME STATUS as Sikh GURUS. No other world religious text has this uniqueness.

This si why NO Tuk of GURBANI says: CONVERT TO SIKHI for salvation.
NO GURBANI ever says: There is NO Salvation IF you dont CONVERT to SIKHI.
There is NO Gurbani that declares: SIKHI is the One and ONLY WAY to GOD.

IF anyone interprets that way..it is MISREPRESENTATION and out of context. Sikhi is UNIVERSAL..for all..and Sikhi RESPECTS all religions and faiths...wherever there is criticism..it is criticism of NOT the RELIGION..but the WRONGS of the Followers. Gurbani declares...VED KATEB KAHIO MATT CHHUTTHEH..CHOTTAHH JO NA BICHAREH... the Vedas and the Kitab are NOT FALSE..false are those followers who DONT "BICHAR" study them and follow their true teachings... what could be clearer than that.

I hope that helps.

Jarnail Singh Gyani

thank u very much jarnail ji.

but i did'n quite get the answar to the first one.

Sri GuruGobind Singh ji says that he is the destroyer of idols....what does he mean about that?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8231

u can read the zafarma at http://sikhs.org/transl5.htm
at line 95

Cherdikala!
Guru Gobin Singh Ji also said, (sorry I have no direct quote)
...Worship me, and you will go to/be in, Hell.
He recognised the danger of idols, and what happnes when a religion becomes but symboles. People can get addicted to the symboles and the experiences of visions. This is spiritual materialism. When Guru Gobind Singh Ji destroyes idols, he liberates us even from himslef, and draws us closer to the formless. Sat Naam, Hukum Kaur-

Gurunanak did not formally created any religion like Sikh religion , as the present day sikhs percieve it .
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8231

The way the Gurunanak said that line at that time it did not meant for the present day sikhs only but for any one .

If a muslim or Christian is a true learner , and keeps of progressing towards the spiritual elevation , then also they are Sikhs still being Muslims or Christians .

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Absolutley correct bhen ji Hukam kaur Jio.

The Formless Waheguru of GURU NANAK JI as described in Ek Oankaar satnam.... CANNOT possibly be "contained" in an IDOL.

Thus Guru nanak ji was the First to "break the idols" so as to speak...and Guru Gobind Singh Ji is repeating this philosphy of Sikhi-Gurmatt.

We break our own IDOLS..not the ones the Hindus have asthapan in their Mandirs...that is their RIGHT.

The MUSLIMS are also "idol breakers"...but Under the Mughals and especially Aurengzeb...and most recently under the Taliban in Afghanistan...they mistakenly took this to mean breaking other people's IDOLS..which is NOT what ISLAM means either.

Jarnail singh gyani

so you giany singh ji is saying that it is not ment literaly, and it means that they are breaking the idols, by showing people how useless they are?

Yes veer jio,

in my humble opinion that is what i meant. As far as i know Guru Ji Never attacked any mandir and Never broke any idols....not like the mughals, the khiljis, the lodhis, and the afghan invaders Ahmad shah durani, abdali etc etc.

Second point to note is that the writings of Guru gobind Singh ji are heavily adulterated by later writers..not like Gurbani in the Guru Garnth ji. We cannot take literally much attributed to Guru Ji....it is always wise to take the TOUCHSTONE of GURBANI to check out any other writings.

Thanks

Jarnail singh gyani

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

I agree completely Balbir Ji. Khalsa Ji beleives in Waheguru the Formless Nirguna nd Sargun. Yes.

Jarnail singh gyani