Baba Vadhbhag Singh Ji

sarbjitpunjabi · #55 (**permalink**) 11-Oct-2008, 19:50 PM

BHAI SAHIB JI ,
SAT SRI AKAL .
AS FOR AS DERA VADHBAGH SINGH IS CONCERNED , I AM AS AWARE OF IT, AS YOU ARE .THE ONLY THING I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS THAT THE SYSTEM THAT EXIST AT DEHRA SAHIB IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY MANY Sikhs . FIRST - THEY THINK THAT SPIRITS DON`T EXIST AT ALL AND THEIR TREATMENT OF ANY KIND IS TOTALLY UNFOUNDED . SECOND , THEY THINK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND Sikhism BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE - WHILE THERE IS VERY DEEP DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING RELIGIOUS AND BEING SPIRITUAL . THIRD - ALL THE SPIRITS ARE NOT BAD AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WORLD WHICH YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU LISTEN TO SULEMAN DI KATHA TAPE AVAIALANLE FROM RARASAHIB GURUDAWARA NEAR LUDHIANA . SULLEMAN WAS A MUSLIM WHO ACCOMPANIED MAHMUD GAZNAVI ON HIS FIRST INVASION OF INDIA . THE GUY BECAME AN EXPERT IN SPRITUAL BUSINESS AND COMITTED SO MANY CRIMES . WHEN HE WAS PRESENTED BRFORE DHARAMRAJ , HE WAS SENTENCED 1000 YEARS OF BHOOT LIFE AND WAS LIBERATED BY SANT ISHAR SINGH JI OF RARA SAHIB WHERE HE TOLD EVERYTHING ABOUT HIMSELF AND WHATEVER HE HAD GONE THROUGH TIL THEN AND HOW HE TOLD ABOUT HIS NEXT BIRTH WHICH TOOK PLACE IN VILLAGE LALATON , DISTRICT LUDHIANA . BELIEVE ME , THIS RECORDING OF HIS REVEALATIONS IS AN EYE OPENER .
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GODD LUCK .
SARBJIT SINGH

sarbjitpunjabi · #56 (**permalink**) 11-Oct-2008, 20:19 PM

gentleman ,
though , one` s belief may be different then others , it is not sikhism to insult others - by doing so you are only insulting you thesis - gurubani .
one can not understand life , let alone gurubani and live its message till one pays the price of such experiences . Plaease , keep in mind that everything is occuring by his will - evrything my friends .if one could make others understand whatever he thinks is right easily , then aging has no existance .
to , those who call it a mental block , the treatment of such abnormalities may not be of your liking - but the existance is not - please , reffer to sukhmani sahib..... Kayee kot bhoot sukar mirgach .
or visit rarasahib gurudawara , district ludhana and ask for suleman di tape - believe me this will be an eye opener for you .
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us da roop dohin passin hai , sargun uhi nirgun vi ohi kaladhr jin sagli mohi .
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sat siri akal.

pk70 · #57 (**permalink**) 12-Oct-2008, 00:48 AM

Gurbani is to make the soul free of all worldly and supernatural fears and to guide it to be worthy of merging with Lord. Sikhs, if do not reach to that state of merging with HIM, should continue to struggle to be worthy of HIM by following Guru Granth Sahib ji. How many become Amritdhari, how many do the Gurbani Kirtan is not important according to Gurbani if the soul is still into duality. Sindhis who believe in Gurbani and if they are doing their best to live by Gurbani, they are better Sikhs than those Amritdharis who are more into duality and hypocrisy. Staying away from manmatt and “duality preaching sangat”, is repeated in Gurbani, it is not slandering of any one( ninddyaa, as claimed by some posters here) it is a warning not to get drowned into duality again after Guru Sahibaan’s labor of centuries to keep people on right path. Gurbani is all about His love, Guru’s guidance is to make the soul worthy of the Lord. Sikhs do not need to listen to Suleman story, they need to pay more attention to become aware of what we see and what we should do and to be more aware of our purpose of being here. Sikhs do not need to worry about Bhoot or prêt or any thing including fear of death, financial loss etc. It is the true faith in Guru (actually following him) and in the Lord, that makes one true Sikh, not the knowledge of any thing.
A place run by those who stood totally against Guru Nanak house should be avoided and all the energy putting in promoting them, should be invested in understanding Gurbani to live as Guru instructed through Gurbani..

Rgarding Bhoot Pret as per Sukhmani Sahib, here it is, lets see if Sikhs are instructed to seek help from any one or it is said in different context
ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਰਾਜਸ ਤਾਮਸ ਸਾਤਕ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਸਾਸਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਰਤਨ ਸਮੁਦ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਨਾਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਜੰਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਚਿਰ ਜੀਵੇ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਗਿਰੀ ਮੇਰ ਸੁਵਰਨ ਥੀਵੇ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਕਿੰਨਰ ਪਿਸਾਚ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ ॥ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਨੇਰੈ ਸਭਹੂ ਤੇ ਦੂਰਿ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਆਪਿ ਅਲਿਪਤੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ॥੪॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8184
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8184
Many millions abide in the dispositions of activity, darkness and calmness. There are many millions of Vedas, Puranas, Simirtis and Shastras. Many millions of oceans with pearls have been made. Many millions are the beings of various descriptions. Many millions are made who live-long. (By Lord's order) many millions of hills and mountains have become of gold. Many millions are the high-ranking Gods, celestial singers and Satans. Many millions are evil spirits ghosts, swines and tigers. The Lord is near all, yet far from all. Nanak the Lord is filling every thing, yet He Himself remains apart.
Guru ji is stating in above Guru bachan about “NIRGUNA WAHEGURU” and HIS expansion as “SARGUNA”, stress is on HIS ordinance,” HUKME UNDR SABH KO BAHIR HUKM NA KOYE” Guru Vaak is interpreted in detail, to understand this, read the Guru Bachan that follows the above
ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਨਰਕ ਸੁਰਗ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਮਹਿ ਜੀਵਹਿ ਮਰਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਫਿਰਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬੈਠਤ ਹੀ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਘਾਲਹਿ ਥਕਿ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਧਨਵੰਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਹਿ ਚਿੰਤ ॥ ਜਹ ਜਹ ਭਾਣਾ ਤਹ ਤਹ ਰਾਖੇ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਹਾਥੇ॥੫॥
Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds. Millions upon millions are the dwellers of hell and heaven. Millions upon millions are born, live, and die. Millions upon millions go round in many existences. Many millions eat whilst sitting idle. Many millions are wearied with labour. Many millions are created wealthy. Many millions are engrossed in the anxiety of wealth.Where-so-ever the Lord wills there He keeps the mortals.Nanak everything is in the Lord's hands.
Sikhs are guided to Guru ( Now Sree Guru Granth Sahib Ji), Gurus’ guidance elevates the soul above supernatural fears as divine knowledge infused by Guru changes the whole landscape.
ਗੁਰੁ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਸਦਾ ਜਲੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਹਰੈ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਪਾਇਐ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਦੇਵ ਕਰੈ ॥੨॥
Gur ḏarī▫ā▫o saḏā jal nirmal mili▫ā ḏurmaṯ mail harai. Saṯgur pā▫i▫ai pūrā nāvaṇ pasū pareṯahu ḏev karai. ||2||
The Guru is the River, from which the Pure Water is obtained forever; it washes away the filth and pollution of evil-mindedness. Finding the True Guru, the perfect cleansing bath is obtained, which transforms even beasts and ghosts into gods. ||2||
Without following Gurbani and without blossoming love for the Lord in the heart, all baggage falls on the soul
ਕਬੀਰ ਜਾ ਘਰ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਸੇਵੀਅਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਾਹਿ ॥
Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served -
ਤੇ ਘਰ ਮਰਹਟ ਸਾਰਖੇ ਭੂਤ ਬਸਹਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧੯੨॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1374)
those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them. ||192||

Who go astray, their destiny will be worth repenting.
ਰਉ ਭੂਤ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਧਾਵੈ ॥
One who chases after the god Bhairau, evil spirits and the goddess of smallpox,
ਖਰ ਬਾਹਨੁ ਉਹੁ ਛਾਰੁ ਉਡਾਵੈ ॥੧॥
is riding on a donkey, kicking up the dust. ||1||
ਹਉ ਤਉ ਏਕੁ ਰਮਈਆ ਲੈਹਉ ॥ ( 874)
I take only the Name of the One Lord.
A Sikh has to board on one boat in control of Guru, stepping in another boat at the same time will bring what, is obvious.

CALL OF THE GURU IS

ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਸਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥

Thir gẖar baishu har jan pi▫āre.
Remain steady in the home of your own self, O beloved servant of the Lord 11
ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ( Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 201) 11
Saṯgur ṯumre kāj savāre. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The True Guru shall resolve all your affairs. ||1||Pause||
Lord.

ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in · #58 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2008, 16:10 PM

Dear Sarabjit Ji

As per your advise, I will visit to Rara Sahib and get the tape of suleman and hear.
But it is my advise you to visit to Gurudwara Manji Sahib-Dera Baba Vadhbagh singh.

Regards
Sunder Singh

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbjitpunjabi

BHAI SAHIB JI ,
SAT SRI AKAL .
AS FOR AS DERA VADHBAGH SINGH IS CONCERNED , I AM AS AWARE OF IT, AS YOU ARE .THE ONLY THING I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS THAT THE SYSTEM THAT EXIST AT DEHRA SAHIB IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY MANY Sikhs . FIRST - THEY THINK THAT SPIRITS DON`T EXIST AT ALL AND THEIR TREATMENT OF ANY KIND IS TOTALLY UNFOUNDED . SECOND , THEY THINK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND Sikhism BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE - WHILE THERE IS VERY DEEP DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING RELIGIOUS AND BEING SPIRITUAL . THIRD - ALL THE SPIRITS ARE NOT BAD AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WORLD WHICH YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU LISTEN TO SULEMAN DI KATHA TAPE AVAIALANLE FROM RARASAHIB GURUDAWARA NEAR LUDHIANA . SULLEMAN WAS A MUSLIM WHO ACCOMPANIED MAHMUD GAZNAVI ON HIS FIRST INVASION OF INDIA . THE GUY BECAME AN EXPERT IN SPRITUAL BUSINESS AND COMITTED SO MANY CRIMES . WHEN HE WAS PRESENTED BRFORE DHARAMRAJ , HE WAS SENTENCED 1000 YEARS OF BHOOT LIFE AND WAS LIBERATED BY SANT ISHAR SINGH JI OF RARA SAHIB WHERE HE TOLD EVERYTHING ABOUT HIMSELF AND WHATEVER HE HAD GONE THROUGH TIL THEN AND HOW HE TOLD ABOUT HIS NEXT BIRTH WHICH TOOK PLACE IN VILLAGE LALATON , DISTRICT LUDHIANA . BELIEVE ME , THIS RECORDING OF HIS REVEALATIONS IS AN EYE OPENER .
GODD LUCK .
SARBJIT SINGH

dalbirk · #59 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2008, 16:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pk70

Gurbani is to make the soul free of all worldly and supernatural fears and to guide it to be worthy of merging with Lord. Sikhs, if do not reach to that state of merging with HIM, should continue to struggle to be worthy of HIM by following Guru Granth Sahib ji. How many become Amritdhari, how many do the Gurbani Kirtan is not important according to Gurbani if the soul is still into duality. Sindhis who believe in Gurbani and if they are doing their best to live by Gurbani, they are better Sikhs than those Amritdharis who are more into duality and hypocrisy. Staying away from manmatt and “duality preaching sangat”, is repeated in Gurbani, it is not slandering of any one( ninddyaa, as claimed by some posters here) it is a warning not to get drowned into duality again after Guru Sahibaan’s labor of centuries to keep people on right path. Gurbani is all about His love, Guru’s guidance is to make the soul worthy of the Lord. Sikhs do not need to listen to Suleman story, they need to pay more attention to become aware of what we see and what we should do and to be more aware of our purpose of being here. Sikhs do not need to worry about Bhoot or prêt or any thing including fear of death, financial loss etc. It is the true faith in Guru (actually following him) and in the Lord, that makes one true Sikh, not the knowledge of any thing.
A place run by those who stood totally against Guru Nanak house should be avoided and all the energy putting in promoting them, should be invested in understanding Gurbani to live as Guru instructed through Gurbani..

Rgarding Bhoot Pret as per Sukhmani Sahib, here it is, lets see if Sikhs are instructed to seek help from any one or it is said in different context
ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਰਾਜਸ ਤਾਮਸ ਸਾਤਕ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਸਾਸਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਰਤਨ ਸਮੁਦ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਨਾਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਜੰਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਚਿਰ ਜੀਵੇ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਗਿਰੀ ਮੇਰ ਸੁਵਰਨ ਥੀਵੇ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਕਿੰਨਰ ਪਿਸਾਚ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ ॥ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਨੇਰੈ ਸਭਹੂ ਤੇ ਦੂਰਿ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਆਪਿ ਅਲਿਪਤੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ॥੪॥
Many millions abide in the dispositions of activity, darkness and calmness. There are many millions of Vedas, Puranas, Simirtis and Shastras. Many millions of oceans with pearls have been made. Many millions are the beings of various descriptions. Many millions are made who live-long. (By Lord's order) many millions of hills and mountains have become of gold. Many millions are the high-ranking Gods, celestial singers and Satans. Many millions are evil spirits ghosts, swines and tigers. The Lord is near all, yet far from all. Nanak the Lord is filling every thing, yet He Himself remains apart.
Guru ji is stating in above Guru bachan about “NIRGUNA WAHEGURU” and HIS expansion as “SARGUNA”, stress is on HIS ordinance,” HUKME UNDR SABH KO BAHIR HUKM NA KOYE” Guru Vaak is interpreted in detail, to understand this, read the Guru Bachan that follows the above
ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਨਰਕ ਸੁਰਗ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਮਹਿ ਜੀਵਹਿ ਮਰਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਫਿਰਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਬੈਠਤ ਹੀ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਘਾਲਹਿ ਥਕਿ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕੀਏ ਧਨਵੰਤ ॥ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਹਿ ਚਿੰਤ ॥ ਜਹ ਜਹ ਭਾਣਾ ਤਹ ਤਹ ਰਾਖੇ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਹਾਥੇ॥੫॥
Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds. Millions upon millions are the dwellers of hell and heaven. Millions upon millions are born, live, and die. Millions upon millions go round in many existences. Many millions eat whilst sitting idle. Many millions are wearied with labour. Many millions are created wealthy. Many millions are engrossed in the anxiety of wealth.Where-so-ever the Lord wills there He keeps the mortals.Nanak everything is in the Lord's hands.
Sikhs are guided to Guru ( Now Sree Guru Granth Sahib Ji), Gurus’ guidance elevates the soul above supernatural fears as divine knowledge infused by Guru changes the whole landscape.
ਗੁਰੁ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਸਦਾ ਜਲੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਹਰੈ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਪਾਇਐ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਦੇਵ ਕਰੈ ॥੨॥
Gur ḏarī▫ā▫o saḏā jal nirmal mili▫ā ḏurmaṯ mail harai. Saṯgur pā▫i▫ai pūrā nāvaṇ pasū pareṯahu ḏev karai. ||2||
The Guru is the River, from which the Pure Water is obtained forever; it washes away the filth and pollution of evil-mindedness. Finding the True Guru, the perfect cleansing bath is obtained, which transforms even beasts and ghosts into gods. ||2||
Without following Gurbani and without blossoming love for the Lord in the heart, all baggage falls on the soul
ਕਬੀਰ ਜਾ ਘਰ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਸੇਵੀਅਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਾਹਿ ॥
Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served -
ਤੇ ਘਰ ਮਰਹਟ ਸਾਰਖੇ ਭੂਤ ਬਸਹਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧੯੨॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1374)
those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them. ||192||

Who go astray, their destiny will be worth repenting.
ਰਉ ਭੂਤ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਧਾਵੈ ॥
One who chases after the god Bhairau, evil spirits and the goddess of smallpox,
ਖਰ ਬਾਹਨੁ ਉਹੁ ਛਾਰੁ ਉਡਾਵੈ ॥੧॥
is riding on a donkey, kicking up the dust. ||1||
ਹਉ ਤਉ ਏਕੁ ਰਮਈਆ ਲੈਹਉ ॥ ( 874)
I take only the Name of the One Lord.
A Sikh has to board on one boat in control of Guru, stepping in another boat at the same time will bring what, is obvious.

CALL OF THE GURU IS

ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਸਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥

Thir gẖar baishu har jan pi▫āre.
Remain steady in the home of your own self, O beloved servant of the Lord 11
ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ( Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 201) 11
Saṯgur ṯumre kāj savāre. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The True Guru shall resolve all your affairs. ||1||Pause||
Lord.

A very well written post PK Ji as always clears any doubts . Those who still have fear from SPIRITS , I may be forgiven for saying THEY HAVE NO FAITH IN GURU INSTEAD . The same applies to the SULEIMAN Tape by RARA SAHIB . I may actually say PK Ji has really said the LAST WORDS on this topic . END OF THE DEBATE .

ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in · #60 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2008, 17:20 PM

Dear Giyani Ji

Sat Shri Akal

I read your comments and it is abvious from the above that you have no place in your heart for feelings of others. You live in your own world. All hostorical books shows that only Babaji adopted the Sikhism and become complete Amritdhari Sikh and preaches the Gurbani as per Guru Granth Sahib. I have also so many comments about dera five years back. But I feel that there are so many Baba's, which fool the peoples.

If now the kalyugi persons (Baba) fool the peoples then what it the fault of Baba Vadhbagh Singh Ji. I give you a phone Number of Gurudwara Manji Sahib +91-1976-2634429 (Chief of Gurudwara Dr. Sant Singh). Who taken the worldlevel treatments, but he did not get any releif. He belongs to a very respective family. But after some of bath under Dholidhar, he get releif and decided to serve the Gurudwara for whole Life. Under his control, Gurudwara Manji Sahib is touching to the heights.

With his repeated ettempts, Shri Akal Takht Jathedhar Shri Joginder Singh Vedanti survey the Gurudwara and take a historical decision to include this Gurudwara in the Sikh Religion.

It is my advise you to visit Dera Baba Vadbhag Singh and ask your all questions from the all Amritdhari Sikhs, why they visit this Gurudwara. They can reply you better than us.

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Originally Posted by ISDhillon

Giani Ji I have read all of these on tapoban and was not allowed to respond but you can look at all my responses on the following sites :

Dera Baba Vadbhag Singh - The Voice of Sikh Youth

www.sikhawareness.com :: Log in

And many on the sikh history site, the tliving treasure site but no one responded their, the above stuff that you wrote was only written in rage by yourself cos you have no gyan really you might aswell have given yourself the name Baba Daljeet Singh Chicagowale for all the knowledge I am taking away from your post it is the only rubbish on this site please feel free to back up your claims with evidence, I look forward to it.

ISDhillon

ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in · #61 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2008, 17:25 PM

Dear Giyani Ji

Sat Shri Akal

I read your comments and it is abvious from the above that you have no place in your heart for feelings of others. You live in your own world. All hostorical books shows that only Babaji adopted the Sikhism and become complete Amritdhari Sikh and preaches the Gurbani as per Guru Granth Sahib. I have also so many comments about dera five years back. But I feel that there are so many Baba's, which fool the peoples.

If now the kalyugi persons (Baba) fool the peoples then what it the fault of Baba Vadhbagh Singh Ji. I give you a phone Number of Gurudwara Manji Sahib +91-1976-2634429 (Chief of Gurudwara Dr. Sant Singh). Who taken the worldlevel treatments, but he did not get any releif. He belongs to a very respective family. But after some of bath under Dholidhar, he get releif and decided to serve the Gurudwara for whole Life. Under his control, Gurudwara Manji Sahib is touching to the heights.

With his repeated ettempts, Shri Akal Takht Jathedhar Shri Joginder Singh Vedanti survey the Gurudwara and take a historical decision to include this Gurudwara in the Sikh Religion.

It is my advise you to visit Dera Baba Vadbhag Singh and ask your all questions from the all Amritdhari Sikhs, why they visit this Gurudwara. They can reply you better than us

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

ISDhillon Jio,

I went to the sites you mentioned ( by the way i am a member of BOTH..and SikhHistory.com as well ) and NOT EVEN ONE poster supports your one sided skewed views..and the people on SikhAwareness are pretty LIBERAL on babas and deras and such..even the MOST LIBERAL of them all N30 had nothing to say in your support - on the contrary he saw so much MANMATT in your video...

You seem to have the same axe to grind with Amritpal Singh..hence some of his posts on "deleting" posts etc..

Here I must say that i FULLY SUPPORT those Admins who deleted your ppots on this DERA and refused to REPLY or Didnt actually receive any replies as it is NOT worth it. Soem admins just dont want to dabble..in such rubbish..and yet some Give "Freedom of Expression"..its OK by me on BOTH counts.

So Extremely SORRY..I have NOTHING to ADD to this post on any count..MY VIEWS are very clear already. Dera wadbhag is a Manmattee dera. NO SIKH should be seen within a mile of it in any circumstances. PERIOD.

I will NOT reply to anymore posts on this topic. ( not due to lack of time..but no inclination)

Thansk but NO THANKS.
Jarnail Singh Gyani.

sarbjitpunjabi · #62 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2008, 19:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in

dear sarabjit ji

as per your advise, i will visit to rara sahib and get the tape of suleman and hear.
But it is my advise you to visit to gurudwara manji sahib-dera baba vadhbagh singh.

Regards
sunder singh

sat siri akal .
From my childhood , i used to visit derasahib till 2005 and stopped .
Sarbjit singh

Narayanjot Kaur · #63 (**permalink**) 14-Oct-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in

Dear Giyani Ji

Sat Shri Akal

I read your comments and it is abvious from the above that you have no place in your heart for feelings of others. You live in your own world. All historical books shows that only Babaji adopted the Sikhism and become complete Amritdhari Sikh and preaches the Gurbani as per Guru Granth Sahib. I have also so many comments about dera five years back. But I feel that there are so many Baba's, which fool the peoples.

If now the kalyugi persons (Baba) fool the peoples then what it the fault of Baba Vadhbagh Singh Ji. I give you a phone Number of Gurudwara Manji Sahib +91-1976-2634429 (Chief of Gurudwara Dr. Sant Singh). Who taken the worldlevel treatments, but he did not get any releif. He belongs to a very respective family. But after some of bath under Dholidhar, he get releif and decided to serve the Gurudwara for whole Life. Under his control, Gurudwara Manji Sahib is touching to the heights.

With his repeated ettempts, Shri Akal Takht Jathedhar Shri Joginder Singh Vedanti survey the Gurudwara and take a historical decision to include this Gurudwara in the Sikh Religion.

It is my advise you to visit Dera Baba Vadbhag Singh and ask your all questions from the all Amritdhari Sikhs, why they visit this Gurudwara. They can reply you better than us

ss_1972punjab@yahoo.co.in ji

What I want to point out as forum leader is that you have replied to a post of forum member Giani Jarnail Singh ji that he posted in July 2006, more than 2 years ago. His post was a reply to forum member ISDhillon ji, who also posted in July 2006. And Giani ji has already said that he is not going to reply on the topic of Baba Vadbhag Singh because he has no "inclination" to continue the discussion. Moreover, the video posted by ISDhillon, thread starter, in the very first post of the thread, is no longer on the Internet. So no one can see it. Newer members at this point have no idea what this is about.

So it may be wise for all participants to move forward in the discussion and consider this earlier phase of the discussion long over with.