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Old 21-Dec-2005, 20:11 PM
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today i read the following shabad


parh pustak sanDhi-aa baadaN.
You read your books and say your prayers, and then engage in debate;
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sil poojas bagul samaaDhaN.
you worship stones and sit like a stork, pretending to be in Samaadhi.
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mukh jhooth bibhookhan saaraN.
With your mouth you utter falsehood, and you adorn yourself with precious decorations;
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taraipaal tihaal bichaaraN.
you recite the three lines of the Gayatri three times a day.
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gal maalaa tilak lilaataN.
Around your neck is a rosary, and on your forehead is a sacred mark;
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du-ay Dhotee bastar kapaataN.
upon your head is a turban, and you wear two loin cloths.
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jay jaanas barahmaN karmaN.
If you knew the nature of God,
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sabh fokat nischa-o karmaN.
you would know that all of these beliefs and rituals are in vain.
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kaho naanak nihcha-o Dhi-aavai.
Says Nanak, meditate with deep faith;
it is clearly written in guru granth sahib that external practices are useless so how can we justify rehat.




 
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Y are absolutely right when you say that external signs ar e useless and they are but if does not mean that they are prohibited as they are useless when just done alone but they can complement tyour internal sate of being if they are also accompanied by good deeds
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So is the rehat of a hndu , Muslim and sikh and guru ji talke about hindu and muslims of that time and is happen to walk on earth again now he will surely talk same about the Sikhs as well
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But the thing is their is nothing wrong with the rehat but just to follow rehat is useless
their ar many other examples in gurbani where guru ji has similarly said the bathing of body to be useless but obviously it jsut mean that just external bathing your body is useless if you dont clean your inside with naam simran

So what I think is there is nothing wrong in rehat even hindu and muslim rehat if spirtuality is also given a chance to develop inside along with xternal signs



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Knowledge cannot be found in books , when you will get inside the shoes of the writer , then you will find that what ever is written in the books is the world percieved and concieved by the writer.

Writer only provides you the raw material to make further churn out knowledge from your real life.

If you carefully observe the universe , Just sit in a lonely place and meditate of this question.

Is there any spindle or Axle which his holding the SUN in the same place since the dawn of the civilization ?

Is there any specific road made around the SUN were the planets revolve ?

No .

But , still the SUN is there for millions of years and all the planets are revolving around the SUN in the specific path with any physical Roads.


Similarly we must , not be attached to the physical attributes or packaging of the exterior Looks .
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First Create the Valuable Product , ie SIKH FROM WITHIN , then think of Packaging it .
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Jab Dil se Nikalti Hai aah ,
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Rukawtein aateen hai bepanaah ,
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Dil se agar chaho to Pathar mein Jaan aa jayegi .
Nakal(rituals) karoge agar to jaan chali jayegi.
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dr.khalsa ji please be fair and tell that is it possible to keep rehat in some places.i mean you can keep rehat in india uk canada and may be in us but what about other countries.the sikh who joined pak army have to eat halaal meat as i don;t think they are going to give him vegetarian or jhatka food
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similarly sikhs are facing lot of problems in france and other countries what option they have should they leave their jobs or businesses to move to toher countries
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Make the whole world SIKH .

Then there will be no problem .

But the Indians have a typical mindset .
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Starting form the First Guru to the Tenth Guru , there are ten steps .

Sikhs are head on heals , to skip the first 9 steps and directly jump to the 10th step .
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Otherwise , today the whole world would have been the follower of the Sikhism .

During the time of Gurunanak dev ji , people from diverse backgrounds gathered together and listened to him.

But today only Sikhs Listen from the first Ear and Pass out from the Second Ear , simultaneously Expecting that From the second Ear may reach to the others First Ear and the process is going on.
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excellent reply dvs i totally agree with you on ten steps
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excellent reply dvs i totally agree with you on ten steps

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I understand your concern and I also live in a place where there no sikh around me ( I am in N Ireland)

And I will never ever proclaim that I am the sikh with best Rehat

what i was trying to say that to say rituals are bad or bash them as some of our sikh fellows always try to do by bashing others religions for being ritualist is totally wrong in the essence that the only thing matters is one's spirtuality and love for god

I have seen many ritualist hindu fellows who worship idols but they are so spirtual and have love for God that feel myself so small among them so there is no question I can call them wrong

Now about keeping rehat ,yes it is chalange a big challenge and I will be difficult to keep it anywhere whether it is India or overseas ( as per my view for our young generation it is more difficult or atleast of same difficulty to keep rehat in Punja India)

As mentioned by Ds and acknowledged by yourselfabout the ten step point in above post I also believe that Becoming khalsa is the Peak of Spirtual journey in sikh way of life and offocurse would need Matching internal strength otherwise Just if some body want to immitate it then he will be in trouble and will suffer


Now I agree france is a special case and I agree that till sikhs win their write to wear turban they should try follow the agreed alternative as accepted by Government there and with God's will this problem will be solved in coming time

But If you are also including to this the problem the problem people face in Uk and canda for example

They cut theie hair just to fit in just to look more pleasant or make their life easy or something like that then obviously this shows the amount of their internal strenght to follow sikhi
And I am more than happy that they do so ( cut their hair) because it become useless if dont get it or understand it and will give rise to hipocracy In this situation as well their is nothing against the Rehat if you have strenght to keep it

Now about eating Halal by the Pak Sikh soilders

well I think If he make it a point he will get Vegetarian Food
And I hradly know how much that soilder is into sikhi we are just using the hypothetical situation

As per understand I have I think for a sikh there is no problem in eating meat but guruji Prohibited halal due the fact of sacrificial nature of it and the opressive element of it at thattime ( every body had to eat halal if they wanted meat)

I tell you my experience I live here with lot of peopels from Pakistan and Iran and obviously they eat Halal
They invited me for Dinner and then we had as usuall the disscusion aout halal why sikhs dont eat it
I explained to them about the two pints that first I am not allowed the sacrificial food and second Historical one
But the situation here was different because every body of us there were of scintific mind set( all doctors )

They also accused me of being ritualistic and told me that sikhs are not ritualistic and they asked me for solution as per will of akal the solution that came to my mind was
On the dinner table in front of every body I put my mind to Akal and Did ardass make the food non sacrificial in the same way iy was made sacrificial by reading Kalma by Muslim butcher

know some people will object ti this but This is what Akal has given me understanding If some body can make food sacrificial by reading Kalma I can make it non sacrificial in the same way their no chemical change involve in both the processes .
But I just made my point to them that I am not allowed Sacrificial food so I have to do it and they were more than happy with that


at last Sikhism is living religion and is not ritualistic so we have rehat but it is not ritual but our spirtual tool and Akal always help you just have to be willing to take it



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