5ks and Sikh Woman

drkhalsa · #1 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2004, 20:43 PM

I want to clearify one thing that Am I right in saying that 5 ks are both for sikh men and women, And does the kesh means for women to be uncut hair or uncut hair with dastaar I have lived in Punjab for 22 years but I can count number of womens following 5ks on my fingers that I have ever seen. Can you guide me in this regards what our community is doing to rectify it
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Arvind · #2 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2004, 21:24 PM

5 Ks are for all Singhs and Kaurs.

One of them is Kesh, i.e. unshorn hair. Dastaar is not a Kakar, but with evolution of Singhs, these became part of the uniform of the Khalsa. Certainly, we can look forward to more discussion about significance of dastaar by learned members here.
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Regards.

etinder · #3 (**permalink**) 25-Sep-2004, 01:11 AM

I agree with arvind here that as far as my knowledge goes there was never a distinction or segregation done on the basis of gender..

i know from where u are coming from drkhalsa..when its said to keep unshorn hair..that means not just the hairs of the head but all body hairs as said in punjabi keshan te romaan di beadabi..
but one thing i failed to understand that why women do it,is it to conform to the modern beauty standards that they have to shave or get rid of body hairs et al..
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or some other factors like peer pressure, look and feel good factor ..
i wud like to know the views of the sangat on this and more from women members..

S|kH · #4 (**permalink**) 25-Sep-2004, 01:58 AM

So, "kesh" is all bodily hairs?

This debate will never end.

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And before you scrutinize women for shaving, please...please take a look at what they have to go through in the western world. I am not rectifying their reasons to do either thing, but....the same way I look at monays...you need to know why they do it.
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Kesh, to me...has always been head-hair...although I do not shave or cut any other bodily hairs. I wonder what that makes me ?

Arvind · #5 (**permalink**) 27-Sep-2004, 21:32 PM

S|kh ji,
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Kesh kakaar doesnt stand for head hair only. Kesh stand for unshorn hair all over the body.

Regards.

truthseeker · #6 (**permalink**) 30-Sep-2004, 05:03 AM

waheguru ji ka waheguru ji ki fateh!

I agree singh ji, "kesh" should mean all bodily hair. This may be a good example: you do not see a Singh with out a daree, or with shaven legs. So why should you see a Kaur? She is just the same, and just because society says that a girl should look or act a certain way, it should not take you away from guru sahib. He is here for ever but trends come and go

Arvind · #7 (**permalink**) 30-Sep-2004, 09:48 AM

yes truthseeker ji, Kesh i.e. unshorn hair all over body applies for Singhs as well as Kaurs. As per Guru ji, Sikh is supposed to respect each pore of body: no be-adbee of any rom anywhere on body.

Regards.

Singhstah · #8 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2004, 01:08 AM

keski is kakkar
so yes women and men are required to keep their hair and dastar

proof?

http://tapoban.org/keski.htm

and

http://www.mkhalsa.com/lit/keskiconvo.html
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not to mention the book "In search of the true guru" by bhai Rama Singh Ji, i knew him personally and i know he was a mahpurkh who would not lie , and off course another Mahpurkh Bhai Randhir Singh Ji believed the same

Arvind · #9 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2004, 01:15 AM

Welcome Singhstah. As you are missing a vital point in this discussion, it is relevant to look at the following thread where 'Keshki or Kesh' are being discussed http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhph...read.php?t=810
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Off-topic: How does one identify a MahaPurakh? Generally people do as others follow them. What is your say regarding this. I suggest that we stay on present topic '5Ks for women', however, you may like to create new thread if you want to reply my query regarding MahaPurakh.

Thanks.

Tejwant Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2004, 02:34 AM

If kesh is all bodily hair then are we being patits by wearing a thick Kara which shaves our wrist hair and if we are fat and our thighs do the natural hair removal threading??
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Just thinking aloud!!

A true story..

First and foremost, my Kara is about 1.5" thick and the Simarnah is about 3/4 of an inch. Both on my right wrist.

I was at Sikh Gurdwara of Los Angeles a few years ago having langar and a famous Hazoori Raagi ( whose name shall not be mentioned) was sitting on my right. He was a bit over weight as most of them are - thanks to our Desi Ghee Karah Prashad-When he saw my right wrist had less hair due to the Kara and Simarnah. He really got offended when he saw my wrists and scolded me for doing BEIDBHI to my roms. I asked him gently about his thighs removing his hair because of over weight, if that was ok. Well he did not finish his langar and left immediately. I felt bad for him leaving his langar half eaten.

Tejwant