5ks and Sikh Woman

S|kH · #19 (**permalink**) 14-Oct-2004, 23:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevadaar Singh

Dear S|kh ji,

No, I dont have any.

Purpose of turban is to crown hair kesh. On the other hand, turban is not meant to be worn for wherever one finds Kesh. Hope you get the difference in these two things. Tying turban for every kesh or veil etc are NOT valid reasoning towards this. Sikhs are required NOT to do any rom be-adbee, that comes out to be all bodily unshorn hair. At the same time, turban is around hair kesh. Guru ji asked all to wear the crown and NO rom be-adbee. Kindly see the difference in these two things.

I am not intending to force anything on you, but this is what I have learnt till now, and I look forward to learning via Gurumat and saadh sangat.

Regards.

Hm, see the quote that I was referring to was that Guru Gobind uttered something along the lines of use the crown to cover your kesh, and then covered his *kesh* with the turban.

You are analyzing his statement that he said use the crown to cover your head kesh...which would be head hair.

As to what he really did say, I am not sure...hence why im not putting anything into quotes.

I did not mean that Guru Gobind should have said "cover kesh" and put on a veil...im saying, if he wanted to say, cover ur kesh, and kesh = all hairs, than...would he have not covered more than just his head with the turban?

Personally, I think we need a Sikh scholar in this discussion for this one. This requires historical detail and accuracy.

S|kH · #20 (**permalink**) 14-Oct-2004, 23:59 PM

Another thing :
You said the purpose of the turban is to cover the "hair kesh".

Now, I think Guru Gobind stated that the Singh should cover his kesh with the turban, and proceeded to do so by only covering his head hair. So, the purpose of the turban would have been to cover kesh...which is only upon the head.
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I hope that clears up some of the mess I posted in my post above.

Arvind · #21 (**permalink**) 15-Oct-2004, 00:47 AM

((( Personally, I think we need a Sikh scholar in this discussion for this one. This requires historical detail and accuracy. )))
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Haanji, thats one of core thrust area for this fourm. Pls see poll in this site for this. I myself would like to have such kind of events sooner, so that learned people can explain the importance of things. At the same time, we all can do our homework in present discussions before getting into those 'actual' discussions with Sikh scholars.
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Regards.

Gurpreet Kaur · #22 (**permalink**) 15-Oct-2004, 02:02 AM

I have heard that the word Kesh is a Sanskrit word which is translated to mean the hair on the head specifically, also it is the definition given in the Mahan Kosh.

etinder · #23 (**permalink**) 15-Oct-2004, 05:42 AM

what i feel is that kesh is among the five kakaars but that doesnt constitue other hairs, but regarding the other hairs it comes under rehaitnamas about "roman di beadabi" nahin kurni..

Hukum Kaur · #24 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2005, 13:53 PM

About the kesh and the turbans, the turbans are to protect ones hair, and to cover it from the damaging rays of the sun. Turbans cover the sun spot so that that energy can go downwards therefore stimmulating the Kundulini energy upwards. Without a headcovering of cotton, imbalences of the electromagnetic field are more probable. Hair is very sensitive, he hair on ones legs are antenas just like the hair on ones head. The hair under the arms, is how the body communicates to the mind about diet and if one is eating properly. A persons natural odor is very important for knowing weather or not one is healthy and knowing weather or not one can be trusted. (However the nails should be cut as a sighn of grooming and self maintnance, not to let nature take over.) As a side note, but equally important, one should avoid heavy cologn and strong deoderants, for this interferes with the communication of youre body.
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Sat Naam, Liv Kaur

BaljeetSingh · #25 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2005, 08:36 AM

Per Mahan Kosh (the defacto dictionary of Sikhism). Kesh means "hair on the head". Hair all over the body are called "rome", so, by definition, Kesh = "rome" on head.

There are other evidence too in that direction

Awsw mhlw 5 ]
Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:
siqguru Apnw sd sdw sm@wry ]
I contemplate, forever and ever, the True Guru;
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gur ky crn kys sMig Jwry ]1]

with my hair, I dust the feet of the Guru. ||1||

Here, "Kesh" refer to the hair on head..

Another referense to Kesh

gUjrI mhlw 5 ]
Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:
kir ikrpw Apnw drsu dIjY jsu gwvau inis Aru Bor ]
Show Mercy to me, and grant me the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. I sing Your Praises night and day.
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kys sMig dws pg Jwrau iehY mnorQ mor ]1]
With my hair, I wash the feet of Your slave; this is my life's purpose. ||1||

Regards,

rooh · #26 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2005, 21:18 PM

May i just ask, what god or spirituality has to do with your bodily hair? Tell me, if God resides in everyone, does he love anybody less becasue they have a shaved head ? You are forgetting the bigger picture and the main goal in Sikhi.

BaljeetSingh · #27 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2005, 22:47 PM

Dear rooh - Keeping your hair is not related with getting close to God. Sikhs keep their hair because that's what their Guru told them to. By definition a "Sikh" is a student and "Guru" is a teacher. A sikh is supposed to follow the Guru's teaching. Doe sit make sense?
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Regards,