Q2. What is The Science of Religion?

Sinister · #10 (**permalink**) 09-Jan-2009, 05:59 AM

I would like to distinguish reliability from certainty and uncertainty.

Certainty and Uncertainty are two opposite polls…in linguistics this is the standard English dichotomy.

Reliability lies in middle of Certainty and Uncertainty. Certainty or Uncertainty do not stir the need for constant Awareness….thus they are dead psychological states. That in all likelihood probably lead to a nihilism.

A feeling of reliability is only attainable through constant awareness, observation, diligence and discipline.

The practice of Religion/Morality should act to increase the consistency/reliability of a social contract.
Through discipline and diligence, true religion seeks to enhance the reliability of not only our thought but also our actions. Likewise science/technology should act to increase the reliability of our physical environment.

Another relationship.

Reliability; dependability, trustworthiness, steadfastness, consistency.
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Meh.
Just a thought

Narayanjot Kaur · #11 (**permalink**) 09-Jan-2009, 07:03 AM

sinister ji

This thread did indeed turn into a very sophisticated discussion that is stimulating. Makes it exciting to turn on the computer and see what happened in the thread.
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pk70 · #12 (**permalink**) 09-Jan-2009, 10:44 AM

Science is an art…each discovery like a brush stroke making it finer and more detailed but never complete. Art is NOT directionless but when science is APPLIED as technology it can be misguided, especially when it is used to satisfy greed, the urge for social power(quote Sinister ji)
Very impressive expression stretched to a practical reality.
SIMILARILY,
The Practice of Religion.
Very personal…a definition…unlikely
There are self-proclaimed ‘faithful’ (be they atheist, Christian, Sikh etc) that nail their colors to a mast before they even realize if a ship is attached to it(quote Sinister ji).
True but funny too!
Usually clamoring for others to climb aboard, luring them with words we do not understand or comprehend. Verbally or intellectually trying to interpret ‘religion’ for mere entertainment or even for manipulation...it could be a type of social greed or just simply an act of social maneuvering (ego; creation of the self).
Very true, possibly it might be against the religion being used as a base.

Whenever we fall into this mess we become nationalistic, tribal, insular, isolated, without a global relationship, constantly fighting. ‘Religion’/Morality (with a capital M) driven by a false convictions/faith, just like perverse technology, becomes that wedge between humanity if we are not careful.
Doubtless a proved fact, literally we cease to be religious

For a concept that is so often misunderstood, Faith is given far too much authoritative respect, just like science.
It is not given, it is taken as Science is taken for misuse with less or more for the same goal

Absolutism or caste iron certainties becomes a disease for both religion and science.
That is the essence of the article of Mr. Einstein
For the ‘true?’, certainty is not an issue...there is only strong pervading feeling of reliability (as used above to describe the process of science…an experience...a realization).

Tough to explain in words…but truthful science and truthful religion although not the same thing,are practiced identically through an identical 'discipline'.
I wish and pray for it

PS:
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Buddha said it fantastically
“Simply hold the present.”
I disagree, there is no such thing “present”, and it’s a little moment between the future and the past, a merging point. One literally is bound to float less or more on the both.

Sinister · #13 (**permalink**) 10-Jan-2009, 05:49 AM

I'd like to start by saying Polkaroo was the guy steve! thats why steve never met polkaroo, because he was polkaroo and it was always the lady that met him. anyways...random enough?

I THINK:

The greatest tension that will come between science and religion will not be in the traditional physical sciences; inorganic chemistry or physics. (to which, I think, Einstein's message was tilted..with the entire atomic age that was coming into being)

I see a tension cloud arising when there is a better understanding of neurology, psychology, cognitive and behavioral sciences. Somehow we have allowed the fact that we are social beings to obscure the biological foundations upon which our behavior ultimately rests. Science had a very dry fixated view of the operation of the brain (which is now changing with the newest ideas focusing on Neuroplasticity). With recent discoveries the barrier that once existed between the Mind and Brain is becoming fuzzier. That entire notion that the Mind is software and the Brain is hardware is becoming outdated.

The debate is; does there exist a difference between the Body and the Soul (mind)? Are they at all correlated?
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Who you are could be nothing more than a pack of neurons. With the entire idea of afterlife made meaningless one would hardly expect spiritualists, theologians even the general public to settle with such a belief.

Will it trump the Darwin vs. Church debate humanity had in the 19th century? Everything from the most primal emotions, sub-consciousness and self-awareness being explained through chemical and neurological pathways would be interesting…but scary and a little dry. (IF IN FACT IT IS AT ALL POSSIBLE to get rid of the concept of “mind”)
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I was re-reading a journal; Gallup, Gordan G. 1982 “Self Awareness and the emergence of Mind in Primates” American Journal of Primatology. Volume 2:237-248

It was a very interesting read and it had laid out a case for the motivation of an action. In, summary, they concluded that every motivation is geared toward the long term emotional satisfaction of an animal. And the Mind’s emergence (which they measure with self-awareness) is the result of an increasing complexity in neurological pathways…in primates translating to… an increased cranial capacity (brain). They go into an in-depth study with various credible references of their own…

There are a lot more on the subject as well…to those that have access to scientific e-journals…can probably look all of them up. (provided you have time...ugh)

what does a brain do when it sees a freind across the street?
...it gives a brain wave

teee heee

Cheers.

prakash.s.bagga · #14 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2010, 03:00 AM

SCIENCE OF RELIGION.

Probably we are required to understand the correct meaning of the word Religion.There can be Science of a phylosophy of any religion .The main object of any Philosophy of any Religion is to enable anyone to unite with the infinite consciosness of the UNIVERSE and this is also reffered as SPRITUALITY.Religion is extension of Philosopphy to be part of the practices to be followed to acieve the objective.
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Religion also encompasses different codes of particular group of people to be recognised as followers of particular philosophy.
Religion is more WIDER than the SPRITUAL aspect of the philsophy..
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Therefore all the basic concept of any philsophy of any religion are supposed to meet the scientific principles of the UNIVERSE.
Prakash.s.Bagga