Janam Sakhi Are True Events

Narayanjot Kaur · #73 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by neech

To the person who wrote:-

"Also, why can't we question the minds of the gurus ? I think thats ont of the key points in learning how the gurus minds worked -- is by questioning why they did what they did. I question them all the time, and sometimes even disagree -- am I bad human or Sikh?"

Yes you are.

neech ji

You know deep down inside whether you are a good or a bad human or Sikh. No one else can make that judgment. Some may try and some will but none have the right. But trying to understand the Gurus, trying to understand what they did and why they did it, do you not end up each time so aware of what amazing people they were. If you do... then it is worth your while to think about what they said and did.

Archived_Member4 · #74 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

Prabhjyot Singh ji

I know personally some very pious, amridhari Sikhs who will not allow their children even to be exposed to the janam sakhis-- because they feel that the stories are historically incorrect and distract from serious reading of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. In my humble opinion there is no lack of pure faith by a person who does not believe that Guru Gobind Singh cut off the heads of the panj pyare and brought them back to life.

Here is my reason. No one was in the tent except Guru Gobind Singh and the 5 beloved when this occurred to provide eye-witness testimony or evidence. Those gathered together saw 5 men go into a tent one at a time and they saw Guru Gobind Singh come out after each one with blood on his sword. Then the 5 beloved emerged with their heads. That is the sum totoal. All the accounts of this event were given after the event occurred. It is very possible that these stories were made to sound "fabulous" in order to stir up emotion in the sikhs of that time. Many of them were simple people who had been raised on a diet of tales of miracles.

Also -- Our Gurus in fact discouraged belief in miracles. So if someone does not believe the story of a real beheading, they are in tune with the ShabadGuru.

ਸਿਧੁ ਹੋਵਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਲਾਈ ਰਿਧਿ ਆਖਾ ਆਉ ॥
sidhh hovaa sidhh laaee ridhh aakhaa aao ||
If I were to become a Siddha, and work miracles, summon wealth

ਗੁਪਤੁ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ਬੈਸਾ ਲੋਕੁ ਰਾਖੈ ਭਾਉ ॥
gupath paragatt hoe baisaa lok raakhai bhaao ||
and become invisible and visible at will, so that people would hold me in awe

ਮਤੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਭੂਲਾ ਵੀਸਰੈ ਤੇਰਾ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨਾਉ ॥੩॥
math dhaekh bhoolaa veesarai thaeraa chith n aavai naao ||3||
-seeing these, I might go astray and forget You, and Your Name would not enter into my mind.

Ang 14
Guru Arjan Dev ji

Aad ji the Shabad does not say what you have said about it. This shabad is talking about the one who performs the miracle will forget the Lord and go astray performing it. Now are you saying after Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji beheaded the Panj Pyare he went astray and forgot the Lord or there is a chance he went astray and because of the sangat aweing Guru ji there is a chance Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji, our Guru went astray.

Also please explain to me the blood on Guru Sahibs sword after he came out of the tent. Where did that blood come from?

Did it come from a sheep as some have said about this Sakhi. If so this would mean Guru Sahib lied to the Sangat by taking the Panj Pyare in a tent out of sight then coming out into the sangat with a ****** sword but not the blood of the Panj pyare and making it look like it was the Panj Pyare. Would our Guru Sahib deceive his Sikhs in such a way.

Before any one asnwers All our Gurus believed in Truthful living above all.

Blessed, blessed is Guru Raam Daas; He who created You, has also exalted You. Perfect is Your miracle; the Creator Lord Himself has installed You on the throne. The Sikhs and all the Congregation recognize You as the Supreme Lord God, and bow down to You. You are unchanging, unfathomable and immeasurable; You have no end or limitation. Those who serve You with love . You carry them across. Greed, envy, sexual desire, anger and emotional attachment . You have beaten them and driven them out. Blessed is Your place, and True is Your magnificent glory. You are Nanak, You are Angad, and You are Amar Daas; so do I recognize You. When I saw the Guru, then my mind was comforted and consoled. || 7 || The four Gurus enlightened the four ages; the Lord Himself assumed the fifth form. He created Himself, and He Himself is the supporting pillar. He Himself is the paper, He Himself is the pen, and He Himself is the writer. All His followers come and go; He alone is fresh and new. Guru Arjun sits on the throne; the royal canopy waves over the True Guru. From east to west, He illuminates the four directions. Those self-willed manmukhs who do not serve the Guru die in shame. Your miracles increase two-fold, even four-fold; this is the True Lord.s true blessing. The four Gurus enlightened the four ages;

the Lord Himself assumed the fifth form. || 8 || 1 || ang 968

Read the above shabad sangat ji

After reading this shabad I am willing to say and have said anyone that says the Sakhi of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji beheading each Panj Pyare as they went into the tent is a false Sakhi then that person themselves is false. And please understand the depth of what I have just said here.

Our Great Guru are able to do all things as the above Shabad says the Lord took the form as the Fifth Guru, now how is some one going to come out and say the Sakhi is false.

The way I wrote this post as I write many sound like I am mad, but I am not mad at anyone because they wrote somethng. The ones where I am mad, well the members know which post those are.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #75 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by VaheguruSeekr

Yes, Similar question was raised by me in another post, which was also questioning the Sakhi. I am pasting that as-it-is, for further discussion:

May i put in a small "difference" into the equation....

1. Guru Teg bahadur Ji travelled TOWARDS DELHI with Five Companions..TO GIVE their Heads. The objective was Shaheedee in DELHI.

2. Baba deep Singh also had made a vow to...**** ^^^ REMAIN ALIVE until he was in the Harmandir Sahib to liberate it from the enemy occupier. Thus when his head was severed long before he could reach his objective...he carried it along until he could .

Thus just as Guru Teg bahdur ji couldnt be shaheed until he had met Aurengzeb as he was ordered to be in Delhi by the Emperor...Baba Deep Singh ji couldnt be "shaheed" on the way to harmandir Sahib.

4. Another point to note...althogh Baba deep Singh Ji is the more famous "headless fighter"...there are a few more ( if i am not mistaken)..Baaba Gurbaksh Singh is one name i have heard... SIR-LATH warriors.

There is a LOT of myth/tall tales/Arabain Night materials as well as Aesops fables types mixed up in gneuine Sikh history.... its our duty to keep sifting chaff from wheat...."miracles" or MIRACLOUS INCIDENTS ??..ie. "TRUTH" or "FICTION"...and as they say TRUTH is STRANGER even than FICTION !!!.....Achilles Heel could be "pure fiction"....BUT Baba deep Singh ji's story could be the "TRUTH that is stranger than Fiction"???? could it be ?? IS all "truth stranger than fiction..a lot of hot air ?? We owe it to our descendants to settle the dust...

Gyani Jarnail Singh

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #76 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 14:30 PM

EXACTLY SAID aAD0002 JI....
The GURU did it all in the TENT - behind closed walls...and ONLY the 5 and Guru Ji as well as Waheguru knows whatever transpired. PERIOD.
Why He did it..how he did it..when he did it..what he did..etc etc are just idle mental calisthenics of idle people.....IF GURU JI wnated everyone to see ALL..he woudl have doen everything in the OPEN....( But then again is THAT a guarantee that we will ALL agree ?? Just look at another Historical event..Nanded 1708...the GURU publicly and in full view of everyone present...had the Paraksh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...He matha tek to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..and even ORDERED ALL PRESENT...This SHABAD GURU is from today..your ONE and ONLY GURU..in Body and in Spirit... SAABH SIKHAN KO HUKM HAI>>GURU MANIYO GRANTH...is a sexplicit and public statement as any..... BUT go to Hazoor Sahib/Patna Sahib..today and you will find that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is NOT the only GURU Parkash to whcih one must matha tek.... WHO made this decision that is ULTRA VIRES the HUKM of GURU GOBIND SINGH JI ?? Can one imagine..IF The Guru's HUKM had NOT been this EXPLICIT and PUBLIC ?? IF the GURU had told this fact to 5 Singhs inside a Tent ?? I shudder at the very thought....in every Gurdwara there would be ROWS and ROWS of various "granths" as Parallel Gurus...as the 22 manjis in baba bakala !!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/617-janam-sakhi-are-true-events.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=617
Thankfully GURU ji DID NOT keep this fact "secret".

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #77 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 14:37 PM

a little joke about "agreeing"..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=617
Some one was betting 200USD that 2+2=5. His wife pulled his pajama and whispered in his ear...What stupidity. How can you WIN this bet....everyone knows 2+2=4.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=617
Shut up..says the hubby...How can I LOSE ?....because..I WILL NEVER "ADMIT" 2+2=4...and as long as I DONT ADMIT it..i can NEVER LOSE !!
Such is the state of many "Sikhs" today....Main Na MANNUU..I will Never say die !!

Narayanjot Kaur · #78 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 20:07 PM

.IF Guru JI wnated everyone to see ALL..he woudl have doen everything in the OPEN....( But then again is THAT a guarantee that we will ALL agree ?? Just look at another Historical event..Nanded 1708...the Guru publicly and in full view of everyone present...had the Paraksh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...He matha tek to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..and even ORDERED ALL PRESENT...This SHABAD Guru is from today..your ONE and ONLY Guru..in Body and in Spirit... SAABH SIKHAN KO HUKM HAI>>Guru MANIYO GRANTH...is a sexplicit and public statement as any....

There is a LOT of myth/tall tales/Arabain Night materials as well as Aesops fables types mixed up in gneuine Sikh history.... its our duty to keep sifting chaff from wheat...."miracles" or MIRACLOUS INCIDENTS ??..ie. "TRUTH" or "FICTION"...and as they say TRUTH is STRANGER even than FICTION !!!.....Achilles Heel could be "pure fiction"....BUT Baba deep Singh ji's story could be the "TRUTH that is stranger than Fiction"???? could it be ?? IS all "truth stranger than fiction..a lot of hot air ?? We owe it to our descendants to settle the dust...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=617

I so agree, Gyani Singh ji!

If only people would cease and desist with "romanticizing" Guru Gobind Singh ji and step back, take a deep breath, and think about his life decisions as they unfolded, then HIS COMPLETE AND WONDROUS GENIUS AND ESPECIALLY HIS WISDOM IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE WOULD OVERWHELM THEM. Religion, politics, spirituality, history, poetry, music, moral philosophy, military tactics, leadership -- I am leaving something out I know -- and He was also a humble and deeply compassionate human being! Then everyone would sober up and ask how his example can shine a light into every corner of our existence here on earth, body mind and spirit. Guru GOBIND SINGH ji HIMSELF was the MIRACLE! The reality of his life and example are much more impressive than so-called tent-shows now seen as "miracles."

Archived_Member4 · #79 (**permalink**) 20-Jan-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

.IF Guru JI wnated everyone to see ALL..he woudl have doen everything in the OPEN....( But then again is THAT a guarantee that we will ALL agree ?? Just look at another Historical event..Nanded 1708...the Guru publicly and in full view of everyone present...had the Paraksh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...He matha tek to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..and even ORDERED ALL PRESENT...This SHABAD Guru is from today..your ONE and ONLY Guru..in Body and in Spirit... SAABH SIKHAN KO HUKM HAI>>Guru MANIYO GRANTH...is a sexplicit and public statement as any....

There is a LOT of myth/tall tales/Arabain Night materials as well as Aesops fables types mixed up in gneuine Sikh history.... its our duty to keep sifting chaff from wheat...."miracles" or MIRACLOUS INCIDENTS ??..ie. "TRUTH" or "FICTION"...and as they say TRUTH is STRANGER even than FICTION !!!.....Achilles Heel could be "pure fiction"....BUT Baba deep Singh ji's story could be the "TRUTH that is stranger than Fiction"???? could it be ?? IS all "truth stranger than fiction..a lot of hot air ?? We owe it to our descendants to settle the dust...

I so agree, Gyani Singh ji!

If only people would cease and desist with "romanticizing" Guru Gobind Singh ji and step back, take a deep breath, and think about his life decisions as they unfolded, then HIS COMPLETE AND WONDROUS GENIUS AND ESPECIALLY HIS WISDOM IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE WOULD OVERWHELM THEM. Religion, politics, spirituality, history, poetry, music, moral philosophy, military tactics, leadership -- I am leaving something out I know -- and He was also a humble and deeply compassionate human being! Then everyone would sober up and ask how his example can shine a light into every corner of our existence here on earth, body mind and spirit. Guru GOBIND SINGH ji HIMSELF was the MIRACLE! The reality of his life and example are much more impressive than so-called tent-shows now seen as "miracles."

To all that question what happened behind that tent.

On that day before Bhai Daya Singh ji went into the tent, what did Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji ask for? Guru ji asked for one head and what did he have in his hand? A naked sword. Now put these two together. Guru ji comes before the Sangat with a naked sword and asked the Sangat I need one head. Now Bhai Daya Singh ji gets up from where he was sitting and walks toward Guru ji and asked Guru ji to accept is apology for not getting up on the first call. Guru ji and Bhai Daya Singh ji walk behind the tent and after a while Guru ji comes out of the tent just as he came before the sangat prior to Bhai Daya Singh ji going in with him. But something was different this time, Guru Gobind Sngh Sahib jis sword had blood dripping from it.

Now this is where the questions and Skepticism arises. Some say how do you know what happened behind the tent and only Guru ji, Panj Pyare, and the Lord know what happened. They make a good point, but have not taken the facts into consideration. As I said in my last post Guru ji holds Truthful living above all. Guru ji came before the sangat with a naked sword asking for a head. Now those who think Guru ji asking for a head is a metphar are being really naive or purposely ignoring the naked sword with blood on it. Now the next thing the skeptics question is where did the blood come from. As Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji asked for 5 heads with a sword in hand, Guru ji got 5 heads.

To say Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji got the blood on his sword from an animal or a different body part of the Panj Pyare is calling Guru ji a deceiver, for he asked from the sangat 5 heads not 5 arms or 5 legs or a dead sheep or any other animal.

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Guru GOBIND SINGH ji HIMSELF was the MIRACLE! The reality of his life and example are much more impressive than so-called tent-shows now seen as "miracles."

If this is directed at me then I have this to say about it.

Aad ji the person who called it a miracle is you by using the shabad about miracles. Also this was no tent show ( I hear the sarcasm in your writing) this took place to finalize the formation of the Khalsa Panth.

Narayanjot Kaur · #80 (**permalink**) 20-Jan-2009, 02:57 AM

Singh ji

Nothing was directed at you and I was completely serious, not sarcastic. My comments were completely and only a response to respected forum member, Gyani ji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=617

In post number 78, you can see that I quoted Gyani ji's remarks (they are the sections in blue font). And then after the quote I addressed Gyani ji directly (in black font). So sorry that you were offended by my remarks. They had nothing whatsoever to do with you or your comments.

pk70 · #81 (**permalink**) 20-Jan-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Singh

Aad ji the Shabad does not say what you have said about it. This shabad is talking about the one who performs the miracle will forget the Lord and go astray performing it. Now are you saying after Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji beheaded the Panj Pyare he went astray and forgot the Lord or there is a chance he went astray and because of the sangat aweing Guru ji there is a chance Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji, our Guru went astray.

Also please explain to me the blood on Guru Sahibs sword after he came out of the tent. Where did that blood come from?

Did it come from a sheep as some have said about this Sakhi. If so this would mean Guru Sahib lied to the Sangat by taking the Panj Pyare in a tent out of sight then coming out into the sangat with a ****** sword but not the blood of the Panj pyare and making it look like it was the Panj Pyare. Would our Guru Sahib deceive his Sikhs in such a way.

Before any one asnwers All our Gurus believed in Truthful living above all.

Blessed, blessed is Guru Raam Daas; He who created You, has also exalted You. Perfect is Your miracle; the Creator Lord Himself has installed You on the throne. The Sikhs and all the Congregation recognize You as the Supreme Lord God, and bow down to You. You are unchanging, unfathomable and immeasurable; You have no end or limitation. Those who serve You with love . You carry them across. Greed, envy, sexual desire, anger and emotional attachment . You have beaten them and driven them out. Blessed is Your place, and True is Your magnificent glory. You are Nanak, You are Angad, and You are Amar Daas; so do I recognize You. When I saw the Guru, then my mind was comforted and consoled. || 7 || The four Gurus enlightened the four ages; the Lord Himself assumed the fifth form. He created Himself, and He Himself is the supporting pillar. He Himself is the paper, He Himself is the pen, and He Himself is the writer. All His followers come and go; He alone is fresh and new. Guru Arjun sits on the throne; the royal canopy waves over the True Guru. From east to west, He illuminates the four directions. Those self-willed manmukhs who do not serve the Guru die in shame. Your miracles increase two-fold, even four-fold; this is the True Lord.s true blessing. The four Gurus enlightened the four ages;

the Lord Himself assumed the fifth form. || 8 || 1 || ang 968

Read the above shabad sangat ji

After reading this shabad I am willing to say and have said anyone that says the Sakhi of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji beheading each Panj Pyare as they went into the tent is a false Sakhi then that person themselves is false. And please understand the depth of what I have just said here.

Our Great Guru are able to do all things as the above Shabad says the Lord took the form as the Fifth Guru, now how is some one going to come out and say the Sakhi is false.

The way I wrote this post as I write many sound like I am mad, but I am not mad at anyone because they wrote somethng. The ones where I am mad, well the members know which post those are.

Singh ji

I have a big problem with your application of this quoted Shabad at Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji968 because it doesn’t state Guru actually did miracles or can do miracles. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, miracles are credited to the Lord in all cases, Guru ji also went on saying, all the miracles expressed in the History were done by the Lord. In this very shabad, same honor of the Lord is kept and miracles are credited to the Lord, lets see it
ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਗੁਰੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਸਿਰਿਆ ਤਿਨੈ ਸਵਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਪੂਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਕਰਾਮਾਤਿ ਆਪਿ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੈ ਧਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਸਿਖੀ ਅਤੈ ਸੰਗਤੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਿਆ ॥
Blessed, blessed is Guru Ramdas. The Lord, who created thee; He alone has embellished thee. Complete is thy miracle. The Creator Himself has installed thee on the throne. Deeming thee as the Transcendent Lord, thine followers and congregation bow before thee.
ਗੁਰੂਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਧੰਨ ਹੈ ਧੰਨ ਹੈ! ਜਿਸ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਨੇ (ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਨੂੰ) ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਉਸੇਨੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਸੋਹਣਾ ਭੀ ਬਣਾਇਆ। ਇਹ ਇਕ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਕਰਾਮਾਤਿ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰ ਨੇਖ਼ੁਦ (ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਵਿਚ) ਟਿਕਾਇਆ ਹੈ। ਸਭ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੇ ਤੇ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦਾ ਰੂਪ ਜਾਣ ਕੇ ਬੰਦਨਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ।
The Lord created the Guru and embellished the Guru. It is a miracle(done by the Lord); Lord Himself installed Himself in Him. Being one with Lord, Sangat revered the Guru as Lord’s own form (roop). To whom credit is given? Answer is to the Lord.
ਅਟਲੁ ਅਥਾਹੁ ਅਤੋਲੁ ਤੂ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਤੂੰ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਸੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਲਬੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਕਢੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਸਪਰਵਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਥਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਸਚੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪੈਸਕਾਰਿਆ ॥
Thou art Unshakable, Unfathomable and Unweighable. Thou hast no end or bounds. They, who serve thee with love Then thou ferrieest across. Thou hast beaten and driven out avarice, covetousness, sexual desire, wrath and worldly love with all their ramifications. Praiseworthy is Thy place and true are thine bounties.
(ਹੇਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ!) ਤੂੰ ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੈਂ, ਤੈਨੂੰ ਤੋਲਿਆ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ (ਭਾਵ, ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਿਣੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੇ; ਤੂੰ ਇਕ ਐਸਾ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਹੈਂ ਜਿਸ ਦੀ) ਹਾਥਨਹੀਂ ਪੈ ਸਕਦੀ, ਪਾਰਲੇ ਤੇ ਉਰਲੇ ਬੰਨੇ ਦਾ ਅੰਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈ ਸਕਦਾ। ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਨੇਪਿਆਰ ਨਾਲ ਤੇਰਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਹੈ ਤੂੰ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ (ਸੰਸਾਰ-ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਤੋਂ) ਪਾਰ ਲੰਘਾਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰੋਂ ਤੂੰ ਲੱਬ, ਲੋਭ, ਕਾਮ, ਕ੍ਰੋਧ, ਮੋਹ ਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਸਾਰੇਵਿਕਾਰ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਕੱਢ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ। (ਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ!) ਮੈਂ ਸਦਕੇ ਹਾਂ ਉਸ ਥਾਂ ਤੋਂਜਿਥੇ ਤੂੰ ਵੱਸਿਆ। ਤੇਰੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਦਾ ਅਟੱਲ ਹੈ।
Now the praise of Guru is expressed who has become one with the Lord. Now question is, how to serve the Guru, is it limited to physical service or it goes beyond it. Hypocrites are very good at doing physical service that is not what Guru wants. It was surrendering the ego to Guru and obeying doubtlessly. Who did it they were saved (will be). Again here Guru’s helping the people is praised.

ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੂ ਲਹਣਾ ਤੂਹੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਤੂ ਵੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਡਿਠਾ ਤਾਂ ਮਨੁ ਸਾਧਾਰਿਆ ॥੭॥
Thou art Nanak, thou art Angad and thou art Guru Amardas. So do I deem thee. When I saw the Guru, then was my soul sustained.
(ਹੇਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜੀ!) ਤੂੰ ਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੈਂ, ਤੂੰ ਹੀ ਬਾਬਾ ਲਹਣਾ ਹੈਂ, ਮੈਂ ਤੈਨੂੰਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਹੈ। (ਜਿਸ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੇ) ਗੁਰੂ (ਰਾਮਦਾਸ) ਦਾ ਦੀਦਾਰ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈਉਸੇ ਦਾ ਮਨ ਤਦੋਂ ਟਿਕਾਣੇ ਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ।੭।
Who met Guru Nanak, his second Mehal Guru Angad, third Mehal Guru Amardas, their mind got stilled, this is the way Guru changed the lives of many.
ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣੁ ਆਪੇ ਹੋਆ ॥
The four Gurus illumined their own four times. Thou, O Nanak, thyself hast assumed the fifth form.
ਚਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਮੇ ਰੌਸ਼ਨ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ, ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਆਪ ਹੀ (ਉਹਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ) ਪਰਗਟ ਹੋਇਆ।
Through these four forms, the Lord Himself showed Himself to save people.
ਆਪੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਾਜਿਓਨੁ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਖਲੋਆ ॥
Thou Thyself didst create the world and thyself art its ever standing pillar.
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਨੇ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ (ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਵਿਚ) ਜ਼ਾਹਰ ਕੀਤਾ ਤੇ ਆਪ ਹੀ (ਗੁਰੂ-ਰੂਪ ਹੋ ਕੇ) ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਦੇ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।
Again praise goes back to the Lord who is able to do all this because He is the support of this; He creates such enlightened ones and supports them. Again it is the Lord gets all credit.
ਆਪੇ ਪਟੀ ਕਲਮ ਆਪਿ ਆਪਿ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰਾ ਹੋਆ ॥
Thou thyself art the tablet, thyself the pen and thyself hast become the writer.
Praise continues, the Lord Himself does all (Hint is about Gurbani to guide the souls.)
(ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੀ ਅਗਵਾਈ ਲਈ, ਪੂਰਨੇ ਪਾਣ ਲਈ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪੱਟੀ ਹੈ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕਲਮ ਹੈ ਤੇ (ਗੁਰੂ-ਰੂਪ ਹੋ ਕੇ) ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪੂਰਨੇ ਲਿਖਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੈ।
ਸਭ ਉਮਤਿ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਵਣੀ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਨਵਾ ਨਿਰੋਆ ॥
Thine followers are all subject to coming and going. Thou art ever safe and sound.
ਸਾਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਤਾਂ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਪ (ਸਦਾ) ਨਵਾਂ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਨਿਰੋਆ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਹਰ ਨਵੇਂ ਰੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਨਿਰਲੇਪ ਭੀ ਹੈ)।
Again the eternity of the Lord is expressed

ਤਖਤਿ ਬੈਠਾ ਅਰਜਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਖਿਵੈ ਚੰਦੋਆ ॥ ਉਗਵਣਹੁ ਤੈ ਆਥਵਣਹੁ ਚਹੁ ਚਕੀ ਕੀਅਨੁ ਲੋਆ ॥
Guru Arjan is seated on Guru Nanak's throne and the True Guru's canopy shines over him. From east to west, thou hast illumined the four directions.
(ਉਸਨਵੇਂ ਨਿਰੋਏ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ੇ) ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉੱਤੇ (ਜਿਸ ਉੱਤੇ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਚਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੇਸਮੇ ਰੌਸ਼ਨ ਹੋਏ ਸਨ, ਹੁਣ) ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਬੈਠਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਚੰਦੋਆ ਚਮਕ ਰਿਹਾਹੈ, (ਭਾਵ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾ ਤੇਜ-ਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਸਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ)। ਸੂਰਜ ਉੱਗਣਤੋਂ (ਡੁੱਬਣ ਤਕ) ਅਤੇ ਡੁੱਬਣ ਤੋਂ (ਚੜ੍ਹਨ ਤਕ) ਚਹੁੰ ਚੱਕਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਇਸ (ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ)ਨੇ ਚਾਨਣ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ।
It states that Guru Arjan sits on Guru Nanak’s thrown and his canopy shines means Guru ji is accepted and revered as Guru guides the people towards the Lord
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਨ ਸੇਵਿਓ ਮਨਮੁਖਾ ਪਇਆ ਮੋਆ ॥ ਦੂਣੀ ਚਉਣੀ ਕਰਾਮਾਤਿ ਸਚੇ ਕਾ ਸਚਾ ਢੋਆ ॥ ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣੁ ਆਪੇ ਹੋਆ ॥੮॥੧॥
The apostates, who serve not their Guru, die an ignoble death. This is the True Guru's true blessing on thee that thine miracles increase two-fold and four-fold. The four Guru's illumined their own four times, Thou, O Nanak, thyself has assumed the filth form.
ਆਪਣੇਮਨ ਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਤੁਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਨਾਹ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਉਹਨਾਂਨੂੰ ਮਰੀ ਪੈ ਗਈ, (ਭਾਵ, ਉਹ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤੇ ਮਰ ਗਏ)। ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੀ (ਦਿਨ-) ਦੂਣੀ ਤੇਰਾਤ ਚਾਰ-ਗੁਣੀ ਬਜ਼ੁਰਗੀ ਵਧ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ; (ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ) ਗੁਰੂ, ਸੱਚੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸੱਚੀਸੁਗ਼ਾਤ ਹੈ। ਚਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਮੇ ਵਿਚ ਰੌਸ਼ਨ ਹੋਏ, ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ (ਉਹਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ)ਪਰਗਟ ਹੋਇਆ।੮।੧।
Miracle of the Lord to create Guru is expressed, good name of the Guru has been kept over time by the Lord, again the credit is given to the Lord who Himself through Guru Nanak and his other Mehalas infused the light in the people. Who didn’t obey the Guru, they suffered, who followed they got saved as stated earlier.
So Singh Sahib ji, this shabad is not saying what you are claiming, please do not try to use Gurbani to support what you believe is right. Whatever you believe, I am fine with that. Gurmat gives credit of Miracles to the Lord only if we the followers of Guru ji take that honor away from the Lord, we truly are not following Guru ji. Who becomes one with the Lord, why would he need credit of such things? Only one who deserve credit of all miracles is the Lord Himself