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Reading Bhai Gurdass Ji's Vaars especially the first Vaar makes it amply clear that Guru Nanak Dev Ji's vision was beyond the scope of either Islam or Hinduism & almost whole of the Universe he had travelled & had conversations with all the religious heads . But none of them had any answers to the philosophy of Guru Nanak Dev Ji in a way they had nothing to offer to him but he instead made all of them agree to his views .
http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.ph...auri=27&vaar=1

Are there any instances or conversations captured, where guru nanak ji had discussion with other religious heads. I will be really interested if someone could post some link capturing the same.



 
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Are there any instances or conversations captured, where guru nanak ji had discussion with other religious heads. I will be really interested if someone could post some link capturing the same.
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My present Guru "shabd Guru" Guru Granth Sahib, I read or heard translations of japuji sahib and then I read sakhis and many other materials on sikhi available from different sources, after understanding japuji sahib I never felt any need to wander for anything else, I think I came across right things with the blessings of my present Guru:shri guru granth sahib". Bodies of my gurus are not around but shabd guru is here for me
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I have some Question to the article and to some one with knowledge about Sikhism.

1. Why is there Quranic writings on Guru Nanak's chola, and most important it says: La Illaha IL Allah = There is No God except Allah.
This CHola can be seen in Punjab, why would Guru Nanak wear this Chola?

2. Why did Guru Nanak go to Mecca and Medina, when we all know that NO non muslims are allowed into Mecca, and that there is a capital punishment at that time for doing so, why would he risk his life doing so ?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/605-baba-nanak-and-his-islamic-chola.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=605

3.Guru Nanak has been against many Hindu Scholars and Muslim Scholars and Hindu Vedas BUT he never said anything bad about the Quran.

4. as we wll know that Punjab was a Muslim rule, and U can not come up with any new teachings and have followers without the Muslim rule will find out, and then the punishment will be death. But this never happened, Muslims love to sit and hear Guru Nanak talking.

I know Guru Arjan was the one who composed all the writings into Guru Granth, but at that time Guru Nanak did not live, and many htings could have been edited.
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1. There is no God except for Allah. This is true... but I am not sure whether get what it means. Guru Nanak intuitively got what it meant by "la ilaha il allah".

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=605
2. Guru Nanak had not only surrendered to God's will and saw His signs (the essence of Islam), he was also with a life-long Muslim friend.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=605

3. He was not against any of those or the Quran.

4. Muslims also loved to sit and hear non-Muslims talking. Muslims are pretty accepting of others actually. Not as intolerant as you portray them.
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2. Why did Guru Nanak go to Mecca and Medina, when we all know that NO non muslims are allowed into Mecca, and that there is a capital punishment at that time for doing so, why would he risk his life doing so ?
This is disputable
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...sit-mecca.html
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IF Guru Nanak ji becomes a "Muslim" just by going to Mecca...then why did a "Muslim" visit Hardwaar..Ujain..Kanshi..Benares..ALL the MAJOR HINDU TEERATHS ? And IF Guru nanak ji becomes a muslim just by wearing a chola....my son must be playing for manchester United becasue he wears their Jersey 24/7....even has the name Ronaldo on his back...my other son must be a Chelsea player....and my daughter a hard rock member because she loves to wear T-shirts showing Heavy metal Stars...heck..i must cheak whether i have become a Christian becasue i wore the Jesus saves T shirt the Church priest gave me the other day...it has a quote form the New Testament...boldly printed back and front. ALL TOTALLY FLAWED arguments...the ONLY REAL TRUTH is in Gurus own HAND..in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Baba Guru Nanak and 'His Islamic Chola'

I have some Question to the article and to some one with knowledge about Sikhism.

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Why is there Quranic writings on Guru Nanak's chola, and most important it says: La Illaha IL Allah = There is No God except Allah.
This CHola can be seen in Punjab, why would Guru Nanak wear this Chola?
Dear Sas ji.

Like Islam, Christianity and Judaism Sikhism too believes in one God, but unlike some other religions Sikhism does not try to confine Him to a particular name. God in Sikhism can be Allah, Khuda, Ishwar, Parwardigar, Rab, Bhagwaan etc.

Your point would have been valid had there been a complete Shahada written but that is not the case.

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Why did Guru Nanak go to Mecca and Medina, when we all know that NO non muslims are allowed into Mecca, and that there is a capital punishment at that time for doing so, why would he risk his life doing so ?
Guru Nanak not only go to Mecca and Medina but to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and other places. In India itself he visited all the 4 sides. Maybe his purpose was to spread the message of Sikhism, maybe he wanted to see God's creation. who knows! but that certainly doesn't make him a Muslim. Tell me, Will any Muslim sleep with his feet facing towards the Kaaba?

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Guru Nanak has been against many Hindu Scholars and Muslim Scholars and Hindu Vedas BUT he never said anything bad about the Quran.
Well anyone who has an iota of Guru Ji's teachings would know that he was against rituals. I am sorry but Islam has its fair share share of rituals like fasting (winch he thought was useless. it can confirmed by the second line of Japji Sahib), slaughtering animals in the name of God etc. How can a Muslim be against its own values.
Sikhism has a concept of transmigration which is totally against Islamic values.
Will a Muslim teach all this?

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as we wll know that Punjab was a Muslim rule, and U can not come up with any new teachings and have followers without the Muslim rule will find out, and then the punishment will be death. But this never happened, Muslims love to sit and hear Guru Nanak talking.
Who says that there was a rule that you cannot come up new teachings or religion? Do you have any links to support this? And even if it was not allowed, it had to happen and it did.
Guru Nanak ji was not against Islam or any other religion. Muslims like to hear Guru Nanak ji because they feel spirituality and enlightenment in Guru ji's teachings, which go beyond any man made confines.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=605

http://www.islam-sikhism.info/hist/muslim/muslim01.htm

At the conclusion:

"In all, there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Guru Nanak was a Muslim."
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