Need help? Too bad!!

Lionchild · #1 (**permalink**) 23-Aug-2005, 02:26 AM

Need help? To bad!!
By Khalsa Star

I was in a sad mood, i recently had to move again, i needed help and advice. So what did i decided to do? How about go to the local gurdwara and get some help. After all the temple is the heart of any sikh community and you should be able to get answers on anything sikhi right? WRONG.

As i walked in to the temple (around 5 pm) i entered a large empty building, there seemd to be no one there. Then an elder came from a room nearby and looked at me. I then made my move and started explianing myself, it looked good, he seemed nice, he even smiled, then when it was his turn, he started taliing. However i coulndt understand what he was saying since he was speaking in punjabi! I couldnt do much, i jsut went to the main hall and did my stuff and left, with no answers or getting any better.
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I wonder if anyone has had this experience?

I don't know if it's just my gurudwara or if this is actually happening in other temples around the world. A new sikhi, or someone from the public trying to get help or wanting to learn more, but then getting turned back because they don't know punjabi, or get downsized for not knowing all there is about sikhi. I know it happens, why are we alowing this to continue???
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And BTW, it has been over 6 months since i converted to sikhi and i still can't find anyone to help me tie my dastar - i'm sure shocked!

The biggest teacher for me has been the internet...

(( sad, just sad...

-khalsa starr

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 23-Aug-2005, 09:01 AM

Dear Khalsa Starr Ji,
Unfortunate but sadly true.
Guru Ji has pulled you into His presence..and this is a tiem fo testing your resolve....stay on the Path of Gurmatt..slowly things will change.

I am ashamed as i write this...as we are born sikhs who take reverything for granted...we beleive the Guru is our pwn "pet" and we can do as we like and we ares till sikh no matter what... this is a great misbeleif...no one is a born sikh..
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You are indeed blessed to have come upon this path all by yourself..stay on it. may Guru Ji Bless you.

jarnail Singh

GushK · #3 (**permalink**) 23-Aug-2005, 23:14 PM

I wouldn't put this directly down to the fault of the Gurdwara but just of the age we're living in...

Unfortunatly, many of the youngsters are not as involved or in touch with Sikhi, so the Gurdwara's are abandoned and left for those who still have a sense of commitment, responsibility and faith...(read as :- older, probably retired, can't communicate in english very well).
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They get on with their daily responsibilities but have no real motivation or understanding in how to direct a new generation of Sikhs.
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Until the younger generation take a step forward and begin taking responsibility for their Gurdwaras and heritage, things won't change...

One of the most useful things, I think is a Sikhi Camp. They're generally aimed at the younger age group, for people coming in, or even re-embracing Sikhi....i've heard good things about Khalsa Camp (there's one in the UK and the US one is coming soon i think), and there's quite a few others in Canada. (i'm sure someone off the sikhsangat.com site would be able to tell u where and when)

remember, stay strong...

a little saying I try to live by - "it's all good, all the time." (my own translation of Guru Ji's words, "Tera Bhana Mitha Lagei")

Sikh N Sleek · #4 (**permalink**) 23-Aug-2005, 23:24 PM

SSA,

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This is a problem worldwide affecting the Sikh community. Here in London, UK also if you tried to do the same thing you will get no where. It's sad and I know how you feel.
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But eventually things will get better as the younger generation of Sikhs take up positions within the commitee's who run the gurdwara's. At the moment most are run by older generation of Punjabi Sikhs who have their own lives to lead and got other pressures on them.

My suggestion is to find Sikh friends around your area. Check this site out http://www.sikhpal.com I personally dont like using it since its new format but you might find it useful in contacting Sikhs near you and making friends who can help you with your Sikhi.

Fateh!

truthseeker · #5 (**permalink**) 24-Aug-2005, 00:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GushK

One of the most useful things, I think is a Sikhi Camp. They're generally aimed at the younger age group, for people coming in, or even re-embracing Sikhi....i've heard good things about Khalsa Camp (there's one in the UK and the US one is coming soon i think), and there's quite a few others in Canada. (i'm sure someone off the sikhsangat.com site would be able to tell u where and when)

Actually there is a Gurmat Camp goin on right now untill the 26 i believe in Brampton. I know that it started on the 22 soo i dont kno if they are still taking in new people.. but if anyone wants info on in..feel free to contact me and i can get u all the information.
WAheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!!!

BSA · #6 (**permalink**) 13-Sep-2005, 12:50 PM

In response to gush K who let the kids slip out of the loop ?

GushK · #7 (**permalink**) 13-Sep-2005, 14:46 PM

I see what you mean but it works both ways.
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I've seen youngsters want to take active participation but get no support from the community/gurdwara beause they're stuck in their own political agendas and games. I've also seen gurdwaras that really make an effort but the youth couldn't care less. It's when you get apathy on both ends that everyone suffers.

There's no point in blaming the past. We can use it as lesson to be learned and the best we can do is make sure that it doesn't keep happening. That the gurdwaras are there because WE are there.

So in response to your question. Some get left out of the loop and that's it for them, others decide to jump right clear of the loop (majority situation) and the rest get left trying to run after a loop that refuses to come to them.

Regards
Gursharan Singh

Lee · #8 (**permalink**) 13-Sep-2005, 21:45 PM

Ahhhh Khalsa Starr,

You know I had a similar experiance, and what helped me out a great deal was the Sikh camp, and the youth. I'm 37 years old and yet I still find the Sikh youth to be a great insperation to me. They are passionate about their Sikhi, and more of them speak English, they are more able to help you with your Sikhi.
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Heh I guess I'm just reiterating what others have said, but just keep going brother Sikhi IS a hard way, don't give up.

Cheers,

lee.

rkaur · #9 (**permalink**) 14-Sep-2005, 09:07 AM

Khalsa starr,
I am very disappointed to hear that you did not get any help from the sikh temple. I am not sure what is your situation but one thing I can guarantee you is that it is easy being a sikh but believing in sikhi is a whole different thing and it's not for everyone. You should see yourself as a very fortunate and blessed person, and not everything comes easy. Also one last thing is that we are being watched so just be patient!
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WKKWKF.